Tigerz11 12,000 vs Warn High-mount on D2

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Originally Posted by clubagreenie

So here's a question. The original 2.xHP warn was rate to 8000lb. The 4HP was rated to 8000lb. The 6HP was rated to 8000lb. Where's the limiting factor here, the larger motor will draw less current for same effort yes? Or alternately same current for more effort?

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They never officially released a 6hp highmount did they? (not counting the 250 limited edition 8274-60 as thats not really a production version - and for that they didnt release a load capacity that i could find)

4.6 was the highest I believe from the point that the 8274-50 was released.

I would keep what you have. Dont assume that means that I think the Tiger is anywhere near as good tho. just that its already there and requires no work.

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Originally Posted by rovercare

I take it your justifying your own winch? You have a cheapy?

High mounts actually pull substantially slower under load unless upgraded to 6hp

They are just far more reliable than any Chinese winch, as I said, by design, if left unserviced and unloved, there is a far greater chance of an 8274 surviving...... I say all this compared to all low mounts, just the cheaper jobs are worse again

Most cheap jobs will do the average punter, but they fail alot, under anything with large load, use a snatch block, they will pull till self destruction

But seeing as it's a choice between cheap Chinese winch and the rolls Royce of electric winch......

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Unfortunately I am not trying to justify anything,just stating facts.And no I don't own a Tigerz11 winch.
I would like to see the factual figures that state where the 8274 is actually more reliable?
People have been making statements about these winches since they first came on the market.Having owned 2 of these winches in the early days,they never compared well against my Ramsey for pure pulling power.

And as far as comparing winches,Justin's original question was comparing a 12,000lb lowmount to the 8,000lb Himount,any way you look at it,no contest,unless a lot of money is spent on upgrading the Himount.

Wayne

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Originally Posted by LowRanger

Simon
I agree,there are a lot of broken winches of all descriptions out there,and the main problem is not servicing them!!
A lot of assumption there!! You are stating that one winch is JUNK,where there are a lot of people using "Junk" in day to day use without any problems.

And as far as reliable goes,you obviously haven't been let down by the very poor solenoid pack that comes with this supposedly premium product!!

Wayne

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The VW Beetle was also the most sold car without significant change, outsold only by the Corolla. That doesn't make a VW Beetle a good or a safe car. You pay your money and you make your choice.

I replaced my Warn solinoids with Tigerz11 solinoids funnily enough.

I disagree. The Beetles perfectly safe as long as we're all in our Land Rovers.

Have to agree on replacing the warn solenoids with the newest Tigers (Thompson) ones. On paper at least they out rate the warns, though only time will tell. And it's time that warn has on it's side versus the relatively recent development of the cheaper and budget levels of winches (which is probably the best way to break it up. Gigglepin, warn, quality cheaper units and then chinese ebay budget units. Though with good initial care and ongoing maintenance the Chinese ones seem to be doing well for some.

I am surprised that they and probably all manufacturers haven't moved towards the Albright/Tigerz11 type solinoids. Surely they're also cheaper to manufacture than a set of solinoids.

I had a high mount on my 2 door RR abused the proverbial out of it, never serviced it apart from solinoids and it never let me down in ten years of hammering.

My landrover / warn 9500lb low mount winch is pulled apart on my work bench soaking in oil will see how clean I can get it, how much damage it has and if it is worth rebuilding. ok had it about the same amount of time BUT only used it a couple of times a year max as opposed to a couple times a weekend for the ten years on the RR - (I used to see how far I could go before I got stuck and thought it was fun getting stuck, now I know, I dont do it anymore, at least not on purpose)

In another post I am thinking of putting it on the back and a high mount on the front if I can repair it without spending $$ on it.

just stick with your tigerz and sell the warn. it would need a fair amount of work to get a highmount into that bar of yours so why bother unless you plan to take part in some comps in the near future.
and then put the cash towards the front shaft and locker fund... :D

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Originally Posted by Slunnie

I am surprised that they and probably all manufacturers haven't moved towards the Albright/Tigerz11 type solinoids. Surely they're also cheaper to manufacture than a set of solinoids.

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Simon
I am also amazed that they haven't all gone to the Albright type solenoids,but like a lot of things seen through rose coloured glasses,what some perceive as doing the job,they are not prepared to move with the times.

Wayne

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Originally Posted by LowRanger

Unfortunately I am not trying to justify anything,just stating facts.And no I don't own a Tigerz11 winch.
I would like to see the factual figures that state where the 8274 is actually more reliable?
People have been making statements about these winches since they first came on the market.Having owned 2 of these winches in the early days,they never compared well against my Ramsey for pure pulling power.

And as far as comparing winches,Justin's original question was comparing a 12,000lb lowmount to the 8,000lb Himount,any way you look at it,no contest,unless a lot of money is spent on upgrading the Himount.

Wayne

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Factual figures? 10 years in the bush ruining 4wds is hard for me to put down on the interweb

Your right, no competition, your comparing a winch which sells second hand in almost any form for the same price as a good Chinese winch, simple. The warn will still be pulling you out when the cheap job imploded

Completely different winches to your worm driven Ramsay.......and 1/10th the weight

If he was buying new, 800ish bucks vs close to 3k it's a bit different, but anyhow

Simple question, have you had both types apart?

Oh it's only an lr, 1mm cutting discs on a 5" should come in the spares kit from new, should only need a grill trim

Actually, I've had it apart. I could get very funky and I can fit it behind the grill and at the same time I've worked out a "Saudi Grill" mod to either the std grill and add mesh or to make a new alloy surround and mesh. Is definitely going to work out cheaper than buying the genuine grill. Any interest for a D1/2 aftermarket grill?