I was called an arsehole and a fool by the two of you.
Is this how you always behave when people disagree with you, it sounds like it?
Poor behavior in a public forum.
I was called an arsehole and a fool by the two of you.
Is this how you always behave when people disagree with you, it sounds like it?
Poor behavior in a public forum.
Does anyone know which recovery points will help me find something that tastes like real milk?
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JATE Points Muppet, in the end you gotta trust Landrover Engineering!!
Jate rings don't taste like real milk!
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Work well in their designed application.Quote:
Originally Posted by Islandnomad
FAIL in what you are using them for.
But go on, try it, worst you could do is kill a passer by.
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Originally Posted by MR LR
Some of you blokes on here are a bunch of old woman! So are the JATE Rings going to explode? or is it the high tensile bolt? or is it going to tear off the end of the chassis. You've been reading too many comic books, seriously!
Well MR LR kind of has...just ripped things out of his chassis....ya know?
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Originally Posted by Islandnomad
Careful... I have screen shots of this entire thread...
Not once did I call you either of these...
Your current attitude and refusal to recognise good advice certainly constitutes foolish behavior, your public tantrum and PMs seem like a foolish attempt to garner attention for *whatever* agenda it is you are working towards.
You have every right to your opinion, it was proven consistently unsound, and you continued right on with it...
To answer your question, should I disagree with someone - happens a lot - go take a browse around here... We often work through it and arrive at a result... Not a blatant refusal to listen.
If we were in public; I would have likely walked away laughing having thrown my hands in the air in exasperation!
If you then spoke to me in the tone of your PM I doubt you would consider doing it again.
JATE RINGS:
How do you propose to attach the strap to the Jate Ring?
I'm hypothesizing via shackles.
If that is so, then I suggest considering this - Jate rings swing through a range of motion fore and aft.
With a shackle attached it will forcefully apply itself into the chassis as it loads up and swings forward.
The ring will point load on the shackle.
Luckily, vehicle recovery is about using your head, take 2, think about it.. Not lifting loads (Rigging) where there is a need for a 5:1 safety factor.
You need a point that won't break/bend/shear, a secure mounting point, a shackle strong enough, and then the strap becomes the weak link.
Not rocket science...
Good luck in your endeavors...
Ok, I've been sitting here looking at this thread evolve. A couple of posts have already been reported and removed.
This thread has been locked, then unlocked thinking things might settle down.
I've just got one more thing to say - KNOCK IT OFF - ALL OF YOU!
There appears to be nothing more to add from either side and I can't believe this is still going on and that it has turned into a bitch session. Grow up, suck it up and move on.
I'll lock this thread again if things don't improve.
When Land Rover engineer JATE rings I'll consider them. While they are available as a genuine item (part no RRC3237) they are not manufactured by LR. Also there are both cast and forged rings available (forged about 25 pounds, welded plate/tube version 11 pounds, cast steel 8.50 pounds). No prizes for guessing which are preferable and which get sold as "genuine" but are cheap copies. And I've even seen alloy ones.
Original use: Lashing down of vehicles. Most specifically to airportable pallets for airdrops, with impact absorbing structure. Max loading would be rebound of vehicle against lashings. Use for recovery came later, probably through field use "because they were there". Original series LR had a 3/4" (?) plate and about the same ring well and truly welded, bolted to the chassis (remember the series chassis is much more substantial than disco) by 4 x 1/2" (?) bolts. And even the later defenders which were supplied to NATO with JATE rings std, when here have vastly different recovery points.