Collecting parts for R8665256

They should be Lucas,
In summary:-

[*]The genuine 1948 does not have Lucas written on it. It has the genuine part number (552282) on the inside edge and the date (eg "48/6") pressed into the glass also on the inside at the edge opposite the number
[*]Butlers and Lucas tractor lenses all have the name on them. (so easy to eliminate)
[*]Only the 48 Land rover lense is dead flat (inside has vertical ribs)
[*]The Dia. of the Butler is 135mm and the Lucas 137mm
[*]The original Lucas Reflector is not held in with clips like the Butler.
[*]The original Glass (48-49) has lots of evenly spaced tiny ribs running vertically. Replacement ones have some of the ribs missing so look different but still have the same number.
[*]The reflector on an original has the bulb fitted from the front whereas the Butler and tractor types have a detachable bulb holder at the rear.
[*]The body on an original Lucas is different than a Butler.
1) The Lucas mount is spot welded on the inside. If you look at the Butler it is riveted on the outside so looks different
2) The rim by the reflector is turned up at the edge to hold the U shaped rubber that holds the reflector to the body
[*]The correct lens glass is still held in with 4 spring clips to the headlight rim.
A Butler is different because the clips hold the glass and reflector


there is a thread on the LR Series one club that is fantastic as it explains all the things to look for etc,

Login

--http://www.lrsoc.com/forum/index.php'topic=20814.20--


includes photos! You need to be a member to view it, but it is a valuable resource I reckon.

This all 'stolen" from the above thread but much better with the photos that accompanies them!! But for a second there you guys thought I actually knew something! :twisted::D

cheers

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Originally Posted by Bundalene

Are these the correct lights / buckets for my vehicle. These came with the parts which I stored away, to be found this morning. They are 5 inch Lucas and came with other parts from rhis vehicle. The two buckets appear to be different.


I have read conflicting tales on this Forum on whether these should be Lucas or Butler lights


https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/im...015/11/725.jpg
The light on the right has the lens
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Erich

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Using the info in the post above we can deduce:-,
these are tractor lights by Lucas as they have the name embossed into the lens.

Also the one with the rivetted back/bowl is a Butler.

The square shape of the lens/headlight rim is correct,

Hope this helps

Your chassis may have been painted silver , the 48's chassis was painted silver , I am not sure when they started painting them green. Also some of the early ones had a galv chassis .

from "Original Land - Rover series 1 book by James Taylor:


"The earliest Chassis frames were painted matt silver , and probably used on the first 4500 vehicles (up to 866-4500). The Chassis colour then changed to light green to match the body colour, and remained so until 866-6000 in June 1949 apprx. Thereafter the colour became bronze green to match the new body colour introduced at that stage" etc


I think the pre-production models were all galvanised. I'm unsure when they switched to black.
cheers,
D

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Originally Posted by Dark61

from "Original Land - Rover series 1 book by James Taylor:


"The earliest Chassis frames were painted matt silver , and probably used on the first 4500 vehicles (up to 866-4500). The Chassis colour then changed to light green to match the body colour, and remained so until 866-6000 in June 1949 apprx. Thereafter the colour became bronze green to match the new body colour introduced at that stage" etc


I think the pre-production models were all galvanised. I'm unsure when they switched to black.
cheers,
D

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i think your number are wrong

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Originally Posted by russellrovers

i think your number are wrong

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which numbers Mate?


I'm quoting from the book, page 23.


cheers,
D

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Originally Posted by digger

They should be Lucas,
In summary:-

[*]The genuine 1948 does not have Lucas written on it. It has the genuine part number (552282) on the inside edge and the date (eg "48/6") pressed into the glass also on the inside at the edge opposite the number
[*]Butlers and Lucas tractor lenses all have the name on them. (so easy to eliminate)
[*]Only the 48 Land rover lense is dead flat (inside has vertical ribs)
[*]The Dia. of the Butler is 135mm and the Lucas 137mm
[*]The original Lucas Reflector is not held in with clips like the Butler.
[*]The original Glass (48-49) has lots of evenly spaced tiny ribs running vertically. Replacement ones have some of the ribs missing so look different but still have the same number.
[*]The reflector on an original has the bulb fitted from the front whereas the Butler and tractor types have a detachable bulb holder at the rear.
[*]The body on an original Lucas is different than a Butler.
1) The Lucas mount is spot welded on the inside. If you look at the Butler it is riveted on the outside so looks different
2) The rim by the reflector is turned up at the edge to hold the U shaped rubber that holds the reflector to the body
[*]The correct lens glass is still held in with 4 spring clips to the headlight rim.
A Butler is different because the clips hold the glass and reflector


there is a thread on the LR Series one club that is fantastic as it explains all the things to look for etc,

Login

--http://www.lrsoc.com/forum/index.php'topic=20814.20--


includes photos! You need to be a member to view it, but it is a valuable resource I reckon.

This all 'stolen" from the above thread but much better with the photos that accompanies them!! But for a second there you guys thought I actually knew something! :twisted::D

cheers

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Thank you very much for that Information. I am a member of the Series 1 Forum and should have looked there first. I did read several posts on AULRO but they were not conclusive. The info on the S1 post is great.


Looks like I may have tractor lights. At the end of the day, the vehicle did come from a farm mechanic and he told me the lights he fitted into the radiator support were Fergie lights. The lights in the previous post pic were in another shed on his property.


I will go through his tractor stuff armed with some photos, next time we are up there. We are off O/S for 5 weeks shortly.










This is as the unit came, the lights look wrong
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Erich

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Originally Posted by Dark61

which numbers Mate?


I'm quoting from the book, page 23.


cheers,
D

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i got the wrong numbers

Today we gathered all the panels which I think belonged to this vehicle, I could be wrong with the tail gate. At the end of the day, most of the original vehicle (panels) are still together. Also the car is now out of the weather and into the shed, along with the 109 Series 1


Rolling front fish plate chassis with correct springs, wrong spring plates on the front at this stage. Correct front diff and housing. The chassis is straight, only surface rust, only 1 repair required to a dent in the 2nd cross member. Wrong lights. No radiator at this stage but I have one on order from Jim at Russell Rovers. Front guards require lots of work.

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The bonnet has no spare tyre mounts, I think that is correct. The firewall also has only surface rust.

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Seat box covers have the correct hinges, The floor plates have correct holes in the right places, Both doors are here but require lots of work.

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The rear tub is very sad, not sure if it is usable. The rear quarter was removed for repairs previously

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Seat backs correct.

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Not certain whether I chose the correct tail gate, I have 4 and can only rule 1 out with later hinges. The tail gate does not slide into the hinge, something may be bent or incorrect?

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I must find the correct windscreen surround as well.



A few bolts, install an engine and some other bits and she will be ready for rego. After we get back from holidays


Erich