Series 1 at Shannons.

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Originally Posted by garrycol

Well I enquired on this vehicle and asked for some providence to show it was actually a Station Wagon - nothing was forthcoming.

There is virtually nothing in the interior that indicates it is a SW (likewise there is nothing to indicate it is not a SW). I asked on the Series 1 Club and the "experts" indicated that it seemed to be a replica based on interior fittings but again it is hard to confirm.

While the colour (Bronze Green) is an original colour for the year and model - this is a very very early 86 and may even predate the SWs but there is no evidence one way or the other. Most SWB SWs were grey or "RAF" Blue certainly in Aust.

This car was listed in an Aussie advertising mag in January (last month) for $27,500 and did not sell - the ad indicated the engine needed rings so maybe a rebuild was needed. I asked Shannons about this and they sent me the inspection report which indicated no major issues - when quizzed about the rings they were silent.

Anyway the car sold for $38,000. I hope it is a genuine SW and the new owner will be happy with it - even at $38K this car will require a lot of work to bring it back to original. Unlike basic models that wear patina with pride, the really rare models (there will be fewer SWB SWs in country than LWB SWs) really do need to be taken back to original.

Garry

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The front door tops appear to be from a later than 54 model. If one thing is not genuine, why not another?
.W.

Yes the door tops are from a later model, there is no genuine interior, the rear seats are fabricated, at the rear door there is evidence a standard tub may have been used and of course there is the spare wheel - on SWs there is no mount for it inside as it goes on the bonnet.

About the only way in confirming the tub is genuine SW and then the vehicle is a SW, is that tubs were not drilled to take the bolt that holds the hoop clamps for the soft tops. Now while most SWB series 1s of the era were produced as soft tops, a hard top was an option and I am not sure whether these tubs were drilled. It is assumed these went down the production line as soft tops and then hardtops fitted so series 1s with hardtops would have these holes but not the station wagons. Who knows.

Unlike overseas auction houses that do providence checks, Shannons do not provide evidence of authenticity for any of their auctions. It is just a shame that LR did not keep records of chassis numbers for the SWB SWs.

Good luck to the new owner as irrespective of what it actually is it is a nice 86.

Garry

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Originally Posted by garrycol

Yes the door tops are from a later model, there is no genuine interior, the rear seats are fabricated, at the rear door there is evidence a standard tub may have been used and of course there is the spare wheel - on SWs there is no mount for it inside as it goes on the bonnet.

About the only way in confirming the tub is genuine SW and then the vehicle is a SW, is that tubs were not drilled to take the bolt that holds the hoop clamps for the soft tops. Now while most SWB series 1s of the era were produced as soft tops, a hard top was an option and I am not sure whether these tubs were drilled. It is assumed these went down the production line as soft tops and then hardtops fitted so series 1s with hardtops would have these holes but not the station wagons. Who knows.

Unlike overseas auction houses that do providence checks, Shannons do not provide evidence of authenticity for any of their auctions. It is just a shame that LR did not keep records of chassis numbers for the SWB SWs.

Good luck to the new owner as irrespective of what it actually is it is a nice 86.

Garry

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My SWB (not SW) was an ex Snowy vehicle delivered with a hardtop and it has the holes for the hoop clamps, so I presume apart from SW's that all tubs had these holes.

Question Garry, you say later door tops. Is this because of the drainage holes? If so, what year did these appear.

Perry

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Originally Posted by numpty

My SWB (not SW) was an ex Snowy vehicle delivered with a hardtop and it has the holes for the hoop clamps, so I presume apart from SW's that all tubs had these holes.

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You presume what those in the know presume [bigsmile1]

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Originally Posted by numpty

Question Garry, you say later door tops. Is this because of the drainage holes? If so, what year did these appear.

Perry

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Drainage holes yes - when the change occurred I am not sure, but I assume on the change from the 86 to 88, noting that this 86 was an October 53 build so one of the earliest 86s.

Garry

The one in my sig was delivered, from the factory, with 'hard top and side windows' fitted for the extra sum of 37 pounds,10s.

'Bonnet wheel fitting' was also an optional extra,for 1 pound 30s.

There is also a wheel fitting behind the front seats,which i presume was a standard fitting.

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Originally Posted by scarry

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There is also a wheel fitting behind the front seats,which i presume was a standard fitting.

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Yes.

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Originally Posted by garrycol

Drainage holes yes - when the change occurred I am not sure, but I assume on the change from the 86 to 88, noting that this 86 was an October 53 build so one of the earliest 86s.

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My 1956 86" has the drainage holes. I remember at Cooma 11 years ago being told by some rivet counter (!) that it was correct for a 1956 but not sure when the holes were added.


Colin

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Originally Posted by scarry

There is also a wheel fitting behind the front seats,which i presume was a standard fitting.

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Not on a SWB Station Wagon - as can be seen in the Shannons vehicle pics it gets in the way of the front pair of rear seats. Bonnet mount was standard on the SW.

Garry

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Originally Posted by garrycol

You presume what those in the know presume [bigsmile1]



Drainage holes yes - when the change occurred I am not sure, but I assume on the change from the 86 to 88, noting that this 86 was an October 53 build so one of the earliest 86s.

Garry

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Your assumption seems to be along the lines of my presumption [bigsmile1]

Perry