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    Brake Shoes - Confused, Stupid or Both?

    Gentlemen,
    I am setting up (or at least attempting to set up ) the brakes on my S1 80", but am confused stupid or both, about which shoe is the leading shoe and which is the trailing one. I do know that that we do not have a two leading shoes design, but there is so much confusing information and image out there for various Series models, that has me doubting what I think is correct.

    I found the attached image, but my shoes are not quite like that.

    Anyway, after much exploration, I concluded that the shoe with the adjuster bar that the snail adjuster pushed upon, are the leading shoes? Is it that simple? And the leading shoes goes on the side of the dorm facing the front of the vehicle?
    Is it the same setup for front and rear?

    Many thanks in advance.
    Jeff
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    Without even looking up the S1 setup, the following is how to determine which is the leading and which is the trailing shoe.

    Every drum brake shoe has one end that is attached to a solid anchor, the other is attached to the operating mechanism that pushes it against the drum, in this case a hydraulic cylinder. If you look at the setup and note which way the wheel is turning when going forward, the leading shoe is the one where the motion of the wheel when going forward is pulling the shoe against the fixed anchorage. (Some setups are a bit more complicated, but not on Landrovers). This is also the one that has the adjuster and pull off spring.

    Two leading shoe brakes as on the front of later lwb Landrovers simply have two hydraulic cylinders for each brake so that each shoe has its own, and both can be leading shoes.
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    Coloured pic.

    'I concluded that the shoe with the adjuster bar that the snail adjuster pushed upon, are the leading shoes? Is it that simple?'

    Yes on a 10inch brake. What brand of brakes are you fitting ?

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    Super helpful Gentlemen,
    Many thanks. The explanation also makes great sense.
    The shoes have plenty of meat still on them, but I would be happy to fit new soft compound Shoes, for better braking, if I knew what and were to buy them. Would you recommend softs all around or just on the front?
    Any suggestions as to what and where to get them?

    regards and many thanks once again.
    Jeff in Perth, WA

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    Quote Originally Posted by jedwards View Post
    Super helpful Gentlemen,
    Many thanks. The explanation also makes great sense.
    The shoes have plenty of meat still on them, but I would be happy to fit new soft compound Shoes, for better braking, if I knew what and were to buy them. Would you recommend softs all around or just on the front?
    Any suggestions as to what and where to get them?

    regards and many thanks once again.
    Jeff in Perth, WA
    Jeff,

    If the linings are not worn too thin, just adjust them. Make sure that your drums are not worn to, or past the maximum allowable internal diameter. Dont mix the shoes up. Keep them with their original drum. The shoes you pictured didn't seem to have a chamfer on the leading edge. Without the chamfer, the brakes can be a bit grabby. The easiest way to work out which shoe leads is to imagine that if you make a circle with your two hands by touching your thumb tips together (common pivot ) and do the same with your index finger tips. If the drum is rotating clockwise, your right finger nail is trying to hook into the drum (leading), while the left fingernail is being pushed away from drum (trailing). Soft brake shoes wear out quickly and fade easily on steep hills. Also, If you don't like working on brakes, use Dot 5 Silicone brake fluid from the start. If you do , you won't have to do it all again in 5 to 10 years, as it does not absorb moisture and cause corrosion like glycol based brake fluids. I speak from experience, having to redo my wheel cylinders etc, due to corrosion. Older brake linings use asbestos. Use a respirator and water or brake clean to remove any dust. Dispose of safely. Get a complete new set of genuine brake shoe springs if you want the 80 to pull up straight .Get a brake service to do it if you are not sure. Brakes are very useful and need to be 100% right! Losing your brakes at the wrong time will spoil your day!
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    Thanks 5380.

    regards
    jeff

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