'70 IIA Wagon questions

G'day JayBoRover :)

I have been reading this thread and found it very interesting, quite surprised that somebody has not noticed that the chassis No is for a 4 cylinder vehicle 253****** RHD Export CKD109 hardtop, as the 6 cyl chassis was 347***** for the 109 hardtop, the gear lever also looks like a 4 cylinder type,whoever did the Holden conversion has done a very through job and has engineered to well, the deluxe trim on the firewall indicates that the firewall has also been relieved back to accomodate the motor with out the step as in the factory 6's,the power steering set-up looks similar to that used on the XR/XT Falcons/Mustangs on the mid 60's ram type,very twitchy on the cars,the tie rod and it's ends could also be from Ford,the "G" suffix on the chassis number is to indicate the headlights in the guard models, and these vehicles also had the option of the Salisbury Diff but would have been in 4.7:1 ratio, the 3.54 ratio would be either from the Range Rover classic or the 110 vehicles 10 spline. the rear springs on it are station wagon springs 8 leaves with 2 overload leaves,(gave a better ride in the wagon)also a factory option.

Hope this is of some help to you


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Originally Posted by NiteMare

looking at that step my guess is that some previous owner made it out of some old piece of office furniture, i very much doubt any reputable company would make/sell something that you'd weld to the outrigger and the sill like that one appears to be....

when that outrigger rots away you'll have a pig of a job seperating the three bits from what i can see in those photos, even changing the bulkhead foot could become a major difficulty

i might be wrong tho i dunno

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You may very well be correct on the furniture history:D. It would have been large furniture though as the square section is pretty big and the steel isn't the thin stuff most furniture is framed from. It does seem extreme for a company to make something that welds to the outrigger so I suspect it is "home made". Certainly the welding is "home made" ... or maybe "chicken made".:D

I'm sure that when the outrigger rots away, the side-step will be the least of my problems:(. Simply unbolt it from the rear and it'll easily cut away with the outrigger.;)

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Originally Posted by UncleHo

Hope this is of some help to you

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Thanks for all your information ... and interest. Hopefully this week I'll be picking up another 1970 S2A as a donor that has original 2.25 LR 4 cylinder engine. Maybe one day I'll revert the rig back to a standard LR one with the donor parts. (Probably only if the 186 Holden motor carks it as it goes pretty well with it in there). More importantly for now the donor has standard Land Rover 16" wheels and a standard Drag Link arm ... and a four spoke steering wheel. I'm going to remove the power steering as I really don't like the set-up of it and it uses a modified Drag arm that I'm suspicious of. I think it will be a better truck for reverting closer to standard.

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John B

G'day JayBoRover :)

If it is a late 2a, with the 3 spoke rubber dished wheel it will be a direct changeover, the larger 16 inch steering wheel is standard and with 7.50 x 16 tyres you will find that the steering effort is quite low,if the rest of the front end and steering system is up to scratch and swivel pins preload (12-14lbs 2 steering lever eye, fill swivel hubs with 80/90 oil NOT grease) and wheel alignment is OK, (toe-in 1.2 to 2.4mm) {with conventional X ply tyres} OR .000mm (zero toe-in with Radials @35psi) then driving on good highways should be achieved one handed :)

NOTE: standard wheel rims for 2a LWB 5.5inch rims,should be stamped with the P/n 272309 in between the stud holes ;)

All Landrovers have 3 spoke s/wheels as standard ib both the flat sprung type (early) and the dished rubber type 1967-onwards


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So I headed out early this morning to pick up my new donor S2a. It's a 1970 S2A, so same year and model as my truck, and was only a few km's from my place.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/im...11/02/1253.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/im...11/02/1254.jpg

I'll post some more pictures of some of the details later. I'll also tell the story of how I came to rush the purchase following an interesting time with my daily driver S2a (must come up with a name for it one of these days) the other night.

Cheers for now.
John B

G'day JayBoRover :)

Why not call your daily driver "JayBo":D

Nice straight looking 2a parts jobbie,going by the horizontal fittment of the park/flashers it is a UK build vehicle,and not a aust CKD unit, may even have a Land-Rover Sulihull oval on the grille, it's got a genuine series 2/2a/3 exterior sunvisor ;) just a little "Tin Worm" in the firewall :(
but looks like a good buy,wheels look like standard 2a in Limestone,I would be interested in the part numbers stamped on them if it is an import as the R272309 number I quoted you was for the Aust ROK branded wheels, and it is a very long time since I looked at the wheels of a new ex-UK imported 2a


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Originally Posted by JayBoRover

So I headed out early this morning to pick up my new donor S2a. It's a 1970 S2A, so same year and model as my truck, ...
Cheers for now.
John B

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1970? With headlights on the radiator support, and wipers mounted on the windscreen not the bulkhead? Might be a 1970 model, but if it is, a few bits are from other models!

John

A quick note and a few snaps of the new donor car. The chassis data plate was handed to me by the previous owner as it had been removed from the bulkhead. No. 25308881B. Checking the chassis number on the chassis itself will have to wait a wee while and I suspect will take some effort due to the rust, dirt and oil everywhere.

There is also a small data plate (photo's to come) with a logo "Produced by Pressed Metal Corp. Ltd. Sydney" and "Body No. LRL 1017 4" and "Ser No. 10910174". I have not seen the second label before so any ideas anyone?

On to the photo's snapped tonight. The bit I liked most is the steering wheel:
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/im...11/02/1214.jpg
It is in exceptional condition and should clean up a treat. I wish I could find one as nice for my 80" S1. (I harbour a secret hope that this one will go on the S1 seeing as I don't think it's supposed to go on an S2a).

To address UncleHo's query on the wheel part numbers, there are two wheels with 231601 and two wheels with 272309.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/im...11/02/1215.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/im...11/02/1216.jpg

While on the wheels, I found these adorning the front wheel hubs:
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/im...11/02/1217.jpg
They look to be in good condition from the outside. Can't wait to pull them off and apart and see what they're like inside. If they are okay I might throw them on "DeeDee" (Daily Driver - a name at last!).

The Land Rover oval on the grille is not a Solihull one though:
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/im...11/02/1218.jpg

To finish off, just a couple of general snaps. The dash:
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/im...11/02/1219.jpg

and a couple of the engine bay:
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/im...11/02/1220.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/im...11/02/1189.jpg

Now, the reason for the pressing purchase: I have been using "DeeDee" for a few weeks now as regular transport and have noticed a slow leak in a front tyre. Finally I removed the wheel and sprayed some soapy water over it to find not one but three leaks. One was a nail, one was a previous plug repair and one was just a small hole that I couldn't find anything in. I couldn't be bothered fixing three punctures when I knew I was going to change to standard LandRover 16" wheels and sell off the 15" Sunraysers without the bald tyres. So I refitted the wheel. I ran into some difficulties managing to catch up with the donor S2a (as it was locked away in a yard whose operating hours were very different to mine!) so things were dragging out. The other day I had to stop twice in one trip to top up the air as I was losing about 20psi per day. So when I got home one day I determined to fix at least one or two of the punctures.

The first repair went well (the nail) so I pressed on to attempt the previous repair that was leaking. I managed to removed the old repair, cleaned up the hole and then discovered that my tube of vulcanising fluid was actually full of non-vulcanising air:mad:. Dug out another tube to find it had also ruptured at some time and was now also gone:mad::mad:.

So I quickly made a determined effort to contact the donor car owner and make it clear that I was to get access to the car for a look / collect or I'd find something else. So now I have a source of wheels that I can fit some of my 7.50R16 tyres to, turn my DeeDee into a quadrapod instead of a tripod as it's been in the carport for a few days, and get mobile again.

One funny thing though. I've been using the Nissan ute for the last couple of days. Today it was quite hot but I turned the air-con off - it didn't feel right! I wound the window down and put the fan on full speed but really wanted to open some vents under the windscreen. I also found the thing too damn quiet - I could hear myself think and it was scary!;) I think I might have caught the Series Land Rover ownership disease.:D

Cheers
John B

that steering wheel is the same as i have in my 1965 109 right down to the horn push, mine is all original (except i'm fitting a 200tdi)

Chassis number I believe is 1961-2. Just about everything else agrees to this being the case. Steering wheel I believe is the same as Series 1, so it should fit your 80". And as you say, is an exceptional example.

The PMC plate and body number plate are normal and confirm that it is an Australian assembled one. The position of the blinkers indicates they were a dealer or owner addition. Diana (Lotza-landies) may have delivery details for it.

Wheels P/N 231601 are swb ones 5" wide and unsuitable for a 109, 272309 are lwb, 5.5" wide.

John

G'day JayBoRover :)

I would agree with JDNSW that it is a 61-62 model definatly before 64 by the ign/headlight switch(with the tail) it would have been originally been produced as a Positive Earth generated vehicle but would have possibly long been converted to Neg earth,by "poling the generator" I love the oil breather tube on the motor,that thing with the converted radiator hose,it should have a cap similar to the rocker cover cap, it also has the later (more efficient) Zenith 36IV carby on it,the instrument panel shows a "optional extra" gauge in between the main gauges, possibly oil pressure or temp as was common a very original vehicle,speedo looks a little odd too it goes to 100mph it could be from a 6 cylinder series 2a or even a car.

As JD has said the 239601 rims are for the SWB and are only 5.00 inches and only suitable for 600/650/700 size tyres the rim offset is also different which would lead to a different track,the offset for 272309 is 1&13/16inches but I cant remember the 5 inch rim offset as there was only one


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