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    Quote Originally Posted by turkeybrain View Post
    That's definitely not a silly question.

    I had given it a couple of priming wiggles previously, that didn't seem to do much. I just went back out and gave it a whole heap (in excess of 20 cycles), it felt like it was loosening up a little as I did it. It dropped from low 20s to around 17-18 lb, which is an improvement, but still out of spec.

    Might this be one of those things which will settle once it's mobile? I don't know.

    Cheers,
    Martin
    It might be worth setting the pre-load again and then leaving it overnight or a few days. If it changes again, sit and wiggle it for a while (changing hands for cup of tea occasionally) and see what happens. It may take several cups of tea.

    John

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    That sounds like a good plan. There's definitely a temptation to set the pre-load low too. I'll have another go early next week when I get a chance.

    Cheers,
    Martin
    "Serenity" 1964 Series IIA 109" ̶P̶e̶t̶r̶o̶l̶ 300 Tdi - under restoration
    "Kaylee" 1953 Series I 80" - waiting patiently

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    After much exercising of the hub, it still sat at 23 lb.

    I've pulled it apart, absolutely smothered it in oil, and put it back together. The initial reading sat at 12 lb (noting I didn't touch shims, the previous initial reading was 12 lb).

    Having left it for half an hour, it's already up to 16 lb.

    I tightened the bolts up in a diagonal/long/diagonal/long pattern, starting at 20 ft.lb, then 30, 40, and finishing at 50 ft.lb. It doesn't seem like the shims are settling as the bolts are not becoming loose as the preload increases.

    Sigh. I'll check it again tomorrow. Does anybody know if this will cause issues?

    Cheers,
    Martin
    "Serenity" 1964 Series IIA 109" ̶P̶e̶t̶r̶o̶l̶ 300 Tdi - under restoration
    "Kaylee" 1953 Series I 80" - waiting patiently

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    Perhaps consider fiction,

    Friction is an issue with preload in engineering situations. High friction can lead to over torquing.

    Ensure the threads and bolts are clean and lightly lubricated.

    The other issue I had was the measurement device and the initial inertia when it is first used.

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    Thank you for the suggestions!

    I'm using new bolts (part number 237357) and have run a 7/16-BSF tap through the threads in the swivel casting prior to reassembly. I'm using Loctite C5-A copper anti-seize as a thread lubricant.

    I don't have another measurement device to compare to, but it's at least the same device making the measurements each time. The extra force required to overcome initial friction is relatively minor when first assembled, but I've seen over 40 lb once it has settled with time. The numbers I'm using are what I'm reading off while in motion, rather than the ultimate force required. I'll see if I can get a video of it in action when I have a second set of hands in the shed this evening.

    Cheers,
    Martin
    "Serenity" 1964 Series IIA 109" ̶P̶e̶t̶r̶o̶l̶ 300 Tdi - under restoration
    "Kaylee" 1953 Series I 80" - waiting patiently

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    The initial inertia will always be high, it’s the secondary movement which is the real measure but it sounds as though you are doing that.

    An increasing preload would come from either friction, heat or possibly something in the bottom of the hole.

    Thought would be too maybe torque to 75%, leave overnight and final torque the next day.

    I rebuilt all of mine and had the right preload. When I first drove Sid the steering was tight, but after 20-30 miles it loosened up beautifully. There will be a certain amount of bedding in with new stuff

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    Sitting at 24 lb dynamic friction this evening, a 100% increase over what I measured last night.



    Quote Originally Posted by Cadas View Post
    When I first drove Sid the steering was tight, but after 20-30 miles it loosened up beautifully. There will be a certain amount of bedding in with new stuff
    With this in mind, I think I might leave it be and hope it settles down once it has a bit of weight and a few miles under its belt.

    Onward with installing the diff!

    Cheers,
    Martin
    "Serenity" 1964 Series IIA 109" ̶P̶e̶t̶r̶o̶l̶ 300 Tdi - under restoration
    "Kaylee" 1953 Series I 80" - waiting patiently

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    Quote Originally Posted by turkeybrain View Post
    Sitting at 24 lb dynamic friction this evening, a 100% increase over what I measured last night.
    Well, that being the case, it sounds like there's only one rational explanation:

    Aliens.

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    P.S. Yep, quite likely it will settle in alright with use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turkeybrain View Post
    Sitting at 24 lb dynamic friction this evening, a 100% increase over what I measured last night.





    With this in mind, I think I might leave it be and hope it settles down once it has a bit of weight and a few miles under its belt.

    Onward with installing the diff!

    Cheers,
    Martin
    Cold lubricant overnight. It’s going sticky.

    What are you using as assembly lube

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