Clutch Hydraulics Late Series 2A difference to Series 3

Hello All,

I figured that following the CSI Television series example finding things by torchlight can assist seeing things more clearly.

The plate on the radiator panel identifies the month and year of manufacture as 10/70. October 1970.

Not far from this is the number 24318509G. Is this the Chassis Number? I checked the rear passenger side spring hanger where the Series 3 have their chassis number and this was blank on Teddy. Is the chassis number stamped somewhere else on 2A's?

What year did 2A transition the headlights from the radiator to the mudguards?

Teddy has a brake booster which looks very much like the one on my Series 3 fitted with a 2.6 litre six cylinder petrol motor. I cannot see any cuts in the mudguard made to accommodate the brake booster. Could this mean that a previous owner fitted Series 3 mudguards? Or did the wide-light 2A shorties come out with brake boosters as an optional extra?

If the brake booster is a Series 3 that has been retrofitted it makes me optimistic that the brakes down on each wheel have been upgraded to the six cylinder sized system on each corner of the vehicle. I hope to have Teddy moving once i have the clutch sorted out tomorrow. I can then park on some concrete, jack Teddy up and sit on some stands so I can take the wheels off and start sorting the brakes out. Time will tell as to what brakes are fitted.

The Toyota diesel engine number - after getting cracked ribs from pivoting over the mudguard and leaning into the engine is: 0299706 - hopefully Toyota are kind enough to publish engine numbers and identify when the engine was manufactured; what vehicle it was fitted to, and what model the engine is.


Kind Regards
Lionel

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Originally Posted by JDNSW

From what you have said, it sounds as if the wiring has been extensively modified since it left the factory! Note that as originally wired, from memory the only fuse is on ignition controlled accessories.

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Hello John,

Thank you for the pointers John, much appreciated. According to the plate on the radiator Teddy was manufactured in October 1970. This is close to 48 years to allow different owners to stamp their "improvements" on the electrical system. Oh plus for the last owner to fit a Toyota diesel to it.


Kind Regards
Lionel

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Originally Posted by Lionelgee

Hello All,

I figured that following the CSI Television series example finding things by torchlight can assist seeing things more clearly.

The plate on the radiator panel identifies the month and year of manufacture as 10/70. October 1970.

Not far from this is the number 24318509G. Is this the Chassis Number? I checked the rear passenger side spring hanger where the Series 3 have their chassis number and this was blank on Teddy. Is the chassis number stamped somewhere else on 2A's?

That sounds exactly like a chassis number. The chassis number on S2as built in Australia should be where you looked, on the LH rear back spring hanger. If assembled elsewhere??? UK built ones I think should be in the same place as Defenders - outside of the chassis rail RH front, just in front of the wheel. It is possible that the bit of chassis with the number on it has been replaced, but if you can't find it elsewhere, I would strip all the paint from the expected spot on the rear spring hanger as a first step. You will have issues getting it registered without the number stamped on the chassis

What year did 2A transition the headlights from the radiator to the mudguards?

Nominally, 1969 - but my 1970 (military) one does not have them in the guards. Army production may have continued to use the existing stock of panels. Same for Australian built civilian ones - I am pretty sure the panels were made here by then.

Teddy has a brake booster which looks very much like the one on my Series 3 fitted with a 2.6 litre six cylinder petrol motor. I cannot see any cuts in the mudguard made to accommodate the brake booster. Could this mean that a previous owner fitted Series 3 mudguards? Or did the wide-light 2A shorties come out with brake boosters as an optional extra?

The booster integrated with the master cylinder was not, as far as I know, an option for the 2a, but I think it is possible to fit a single circuit M/C and booster the same as single circuit S3 boosted brakes without running foul of the tinware. If it is a dual circuit master cylinder then the mudguard must be S3 (or has been modified). The optional booster on 2a Landrovers was a remote one.

If the brake booster is a Series 3 that has been retrofitted it makes me optimistic that the brakes down on each wheel have been upgraded to the six cylinder sized system on each corner of the vehicle. I hope to have Teddy moving once i have the clutch sorted out tomorrow. I can then park on some concrete, jack Teddy up and sit on some stands so I can take the wheels off and start sorting the brakes out. Time will tell as to what brakes are fitted.

The Toyota diesel engine number - after getting cracked ribs from pivoting over the mudguard and leaning into the engine is: 0299706 - hopefully Toyota are kind enough to publish engine numbers and identify when the engine was manufactured; what vehicle it was fitted to, and what model the engine is.


Kind Regards
Lionel

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You don't actually have to even take off the wheels to see what brakes have been fitted, but you probably want to have a good look at their condition anyway, as well as see what brakes they are!

Hello All,

Well I learned something today. The diameter of the metal clutch pipe on the 2A is a smaller diameter than the pipe on a Series 3. The Series 3 clutch master cylinder has an adapter that steps up the pipe diameter. Gee the 2A diameter seems to be so small when you are used to the Series 3!

I traced the pipe from the master cylinder on the 2A down to the junction between the metal pipe from the master cylinder down to where it joins the flexible rubber pipe. Then the pipe disappears between the floor and the chassis and I could not see the clutch slave cylinder.

With the Series 3 it is accessible while lying under the vehicle - I could not see the same accessibility with the 2A slave cylinder on the driver's side of the vehicle.

Is the clutch slave cylinder mainly accessible when the driver's side floor plate is lifted out?

Kind Regards
Lionel

Sort of - still a bit fiddly, but it can be done. Easier with the transmission tunnel panel and the bit in front of it removed as well.

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Originally Posted by JDNSW

Sort of - still a bit fiddly, but it can be done. Easier with the transmission tunnel panel and the bit in front of it removed as well.

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Hello John,

Thank you for the insight as how to track down the slave cylinder.

Kind Regards
Lionel

Hello All,

Are these Lucas glass lens signal lights: brake, indicator, and tail lights the most correct for a 1970 2A?

As far as the rear light ex-Army rear signal light protecting shrouds go - thanks to a tip-off from Ozeraser - in REMLR, I went directed to a link on Gumtree. A set will be coming up from South Australia. Thank you Rohan for accepting my offer and selling them to me. It will be good to remove the ugly set of indicators that currently sit at the back, plus have the shrouds to protect them.

Kind Regards
Lionel

My parts book lists four types of lights - Lucas, Wipac, Perei, and Sparto. And I am pretty certain other lights have been fitted as well, especially in places like Australia, where local content rules applied. None of them, as far as I can see, look exactly like the ones shown.

While there is nothing really special about the front lights, note that the rear stop/tail lights all included a reflector. This precludes the use, for example, of Defender lights, unless you want to add a reflector.

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Originally Posted by Lionelgee

Hello All,

I figured that following the CSI Television series example finding things by torchlight can assist seeing things more clearly.

The plate on the radiator panel identifies the month and year of manufacture as 10/70. October 1970.

Not far from this is the number 24318509G. Is this the Chassis Number? I checked the rear passenger side spring hanger where the Series 3 have their chassis number and this was blank on Teddy. Is the chassis number stamped somewhere else on 2A's?

What year did 2A transition the headlights from the radiator to the mudguards?

Teddy has a brake booster which looks very much like the one on my Series 3 fitted with a 2.6 litre six cylinder petrol motor. I cannot see any cuts in the mudguard made to accommodate the brake booster. Could this mean that a previous owner fitted Series 3 mudguards? Or did the wide-light 2A shorties come out with brake boosters as an optional extra?

If the brake booster is a Series 3 that has been retrofitted it makes me optimistic that the brakes down on each wheel have been upgraded to the six cylinder sized system on each corner of the vehicle. I hope to have Teddy moving once i have the clutch sorted out tomorrow. I can then park on some concrete, jack Teddy up and sit on some stands so I can take the wheels off and start sorting the brakes out. Time will tell as to what brakes are fitted.

The Toyota diesel engine number - after getting cracked ribs from pivoting over the mudguard and leaning into the engine is: 0299706 - hopefully Toyota are kind enough to publish engine numbers and identify when the engine was manufactured; what vehicle it was fitted to, and what model the engine is.


Kind Regards
Lionel

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G'day Lionel,
I think it was about 1969 that the 2A's sold here had the headlights fitted in the wings.

I have 1971 "2A widelight" which was purchased in late December of 1971, so possibly built mid 71 I would assume, and it has non power assisted ten inch brakes.

The verticle type clutch slave cylinder wasn't used in the series 3 swb, however I have a series 3 109 (6 cylinder) that has it fitted and I think it is original.

Do you know what capacity the Toyota donk is?

Cheers, Mick.

Hello Mick,

Guestimate is a 3.0 litre motor.

I have not been able to find a website that decodes the engine number. I did find a site that does have engine numbers for 1979 Land Cruisers and my engine serial number has the same format. If this guess is accurate then the B Series motor of the time were available as 3.0 litres.

Kind Regards
Lionel