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    That brake looks in surprisingly good shape - I've seen lots worse!

    Most of the wear is on leading shoe, exactly as expected, and obviously they need to be replaced.

    Oil on brakes is usually due to the hub seal, its distance piece (as noted by Adam), loose wheel bearings, or sometimes a blocked axle breather.
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    Another fun little surprise the other day:
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    The uni joint in the Left hand swivel pin housing seems to be missing a bearing.... I'm sure the diff enjoyed munching away at that........
    Here's to hoping it somehow fell out BEFORE going in

    Thankfully, the right hand side half axle didn't have the same issue:
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    Oh... I mean, it's not actually any better
    IMG-3773.jpg

    interestingly, the right hub and swivel pin housing (this one) seemed to be more silicon than anything else, I assume it developed a leak at some point, but instead of taking it apart and replacing gaskets and seals, they just covered it in silicon. The water condensation on the half axle indicate this was not enough.
    I guess this shows why you aren't supposed to run these dry.......?
    or at least, that water does not serve as a good lubricant...

    I am a little worried about the state of the front diff, I can imagine having one stiff and rusted uni joint, and the other one completely missing a bearing would cause a lot of vibration.
    Not sure if you can see in the photo, but there seems to be a little wear/burring on the splines of both half axles (on the side that fits into the diff itself.)
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    I would love to know where that little bearing went though, none of you happened to nick it from me?

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    I've seen lots worse than these. I would not worry about the wear on the splines. Like you, I wonder where the bearing bits went.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ypsilophora View Post
    IMG-3778.jpg

    The uni joint in the Left hand swivel pin housing seems to be missing a bearing.... I'm sure the diff enjoyed munching away at that........
    Difficult to see from the photo but is the outer part of the bearing cap behind the circlip ? It looks like the end of the cap may have been punched out.
    The bits can't get through to the diff but should have been in the swivel housing unless someone damaged it and threw it back together....


    Thankfully, the right hand side half axle didn't have the same issue:
    IMG-3776.jpg
    Oh... I mean, it's not actually any better
    IMG-3773.jpg


    I am a little worried about the state of the front diff, I can imagine having one stiff and rusted uni joint, and the other one completely missing a bearing would cause a lot of vibration.

    The diff might be OK but the rust in the swivel hubs doesn't bode well.
    The lower taper roller bearings will need to be replaced along with the Railco pins (if rusted badly) and possibly the Railco bearings.
    In the past with axles in this type of condition I've found it easier to track down a complete replacement axle. Problem is that without being able to take it apart it could be just as bad as yours.

    Is the chrome on the swivel hubs OK, no pitting ?


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    Quote Originally Posted by gromit View Post
    In the past with axles in this type of condition I've found it easier to track down a complete replacement axle. Problem is that without being able to take it apart it could be just as bad as yours.

    Is the chrome on the swivel hubs OK, no pitting ?


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    Hey Colin,

    I suspect that is what I will eventually do, trouble is chasing one down that isn't too far away to make it worthwhile... I do know a few landy people locally who might be convinced to part with a front axle

    the left hand chrome ball is fantastic, no pitting what so ever, and still slightly greasy inside, from what I can tell; no sign of a bearing cap (although there seemed to be a light coating of steel dust on the uni joint... it almost looks as if a bearing cap or something got munched at high speeds....................)
    The right hand one is ever so slightly pitted in one spot, and I suspect this is why there was moisture inside the swivel housing.


    From what I can tell, there doesn't seem to be any trace of the cap behind the circlip... but I suspect that is the most likely answer, I cannot figure out how the whole cap could just vanish and leave the circlip in place - it'd be interesting to see if they are renowned for teleporting; maybe that's what has happened

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ypsilophora View Post
    Hey Colin,

    I suspect that is what I will eventually do, trouble is chasing one down that isn't too far away to make it worthwhile... I do know a few landy people locally who might be convinced to part with a front axle

    the left hand chrome ball is fantastic, no pitting what so ever, and still slightly greasy inside, from what I can tell; no sign of a bearing cap (although there seemed to be a light coating of steel dust on the uni joint... it almost looks as if a bearing cap or something got munched at high speeds....................)
    The right hand one is ever so slightly pitted in one spot, and I suspect this is why there was moisture inside the swivel housing.


    From what I can tell, there doesn't seem to be any trace of the cap behind the circlip... but I suspect that is the most likely answer, I cannot figure out how the whole cap could just vanish and leave the circlip in place - it'd be interesting to see if they are renowned for teleporting; maybe that's what has happened

    Luca
    I've seen one where a needle roller was misplaced and sat across the end of the cap. If you then try and press the other cap into place it stops short of the circlip groove but if enough force is used the cap with the misplaced needle roller cracks. Fortunately spotted this while overhauling an axle.

    I think there would be pieces of needle rollers or pieces of the cap if it happened in situ.

    If there is only limited pitting on the chrome swivel it might be possible to apply some 'epoxy metal'. I did this on my Series I and 12 years later it's still holding oil.....


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    Quote Originally Posted by gromit View Post

    If there is only limited pitting on the chrome swivel it might be possible to apply some 'epoxy metal'. I did this on my Series I and 12 years later it's still holding oil.....


    Colin
    hmm... interesting
    honestly I have no idea how much pitting is 'too much' to fix as you did. Although, there is actually more pitting that I originally thought, so maybe not salvageable; but might give it a go anywho.

    I reckon something like that happened, and instead of replacing the uni joint, the half axle just got stuck in anyway; as you say, there really isn't enough stuff to evident an 'in situ' break.
    Luca

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    Whereabouts are you in NSW?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JDNSW View Post
    Whereabouts are you in NSW?
    far south coast area... near eden/bega

    scarce pickings down this way in terms of parts it seems

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    Not very close to here unfortunately! Otherwise I could suggest you could come and look over some of my graveyard cases.
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