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    Fuel usage S3 2.6 10MPG!!

    I can usually sort these problems, but I am at a loss at the moment.

    My S3 2.6 GS has always only ever given 3.5 km/l- 28l/100km- 10mpg.
    I have just recently checked a few things trying to find the problem.
    Checked the carb. Float level, float leaking, jet and needle correct.
    Spark timing 3 deg. plugs and points new. Army fitted Bosch distributor.
    Valve clearances correct. Camshaft timing set at 3 deg advanced, did this a few years ago.
    No brake dragging.

    Engine runs well, power ok (for a 2.6)

    I am sure I should be getting around 6 km/litre.

    Anyone have an idea?
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    Terry
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    Yeah, they are thirsty but not that thirsty.

    What carby you running? When was the last time the exhaust valves were adjusted? What is the compression like? Running the original dizzy? - if so, what sort of spark you getting?
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    They used to get that sort of MPG on Fraser island pulling a trailer....

    The 4 cyl was always much better,and didn't have much less go.

    Sorry can't help as to yours

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    Quote Originally Posted by Homestar View Post
    Yeah, they are thirsty but not that thirsty.

    What carby you running? When was the last time the exhaust valves were adjusted? What is the compression like? Running the original dizzy? - if so, what sort of spark you getting?
    Carb is the std Zenith Stromberg, correct jet and 4J needle. It is the non adjustable one. I checked the inlet and exhaust clearances, .010 inlet and .012 exhaust. Compressions are slightly low at around 115-120 psi.
    Great spark with a GT40 sports coil. Has a Bosch army fitted distributor. Advance is as spec.

    Thinking of getting an adjustable carb to try, but plugs are not black.

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    Put a better quality muffler on it? I've pulled off some shocking mufflers over the years, with severely reduced pipe sections just inside the spigots.

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    As we actually have good fuel these days - try advancing the timing - I guess until it pings and then back off a bit. The standard timing was determined based on possible crap fuel usage in the boonnies.

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    Only 3 degrees advance? Try 10 for starters and give it more if it doesn't ping at 10. Check that exhaust system and maybe get the local muffler shop to make up a big bore straight through. Phil Irving was adamant that a street inline six should have a split system, 1-2-3 and 4-5-6 in two separate systems, minimum 2" each. Compression is a bit low. Does it use oil? If so a set of rings may be called for. Have you done compression test wet and dry? If it still reads 115-120 with oil in the bores then a valve grind is on the cards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bee utey View Post
    Put a better quality muffler on it? I've pulled off some shocking mufflers over the years, with severely reduced pipe sections just inside the spigots.
    Its a new muffler. Std offset shape with full bore in and out.
    80 109" 2.6 P ex Army GS, saved from the scrappie.
    95 300tdi 130 Single cab tray.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigbjorn View Post
    Only 3 degrees advance? Try 10 for starters and give it more if it doesn't ping at 10. Check that exhaust system and maybe get the local muffler shop to make up a big bore straight through. Phil Irving was adamant that a street inline six should have a split system, 1-2-3 and 4-5-6 in two separate systems, minimum 2" each. Compression is a bit low. Does it use oil? If so a set of rings may be called for. Have you done compression test wet and dry? If it still reads 115-120 with oil in the bores then a valve grind is on the cards.
    Yes I did think about 10deg. The w/s manual says 2deg after tdc, thats a bit extreme. The S1 (similar engine design) runs well at 10.
    I would like a 3-2-1 exhaust but hard to justify, but the std manifold is horrible.
    Uses about 1 litre in 5k km. a lot of that would be leaks. Had the head off a couple of years ago and lapped the valves. Thats only about 10k km ago. There was about .004" to .006" bore wear then.
    I thought the compressions were reasonable for its age at 115-120. A good 7.8 cr engine should be 135-150
    80 109" 2.6 P ex Army GS, saved from the scrappie.
    95 300tdi 130 Single cab tray.
    2010 Guzzi 750

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    Most of its use is lugging stuff around the property, wood collecting etc., with irrregular blasts into town 1hr away, so probably regular road work would give better fuel use.
    I will advance the spark timing to see what that does. Also have a hall effect points conversion kit that I haven't fitted yet, that should help.

    Thanks for the comments.
    Terry
    80 109" 2.6 P ex Army GS, saved from the scrappie.
    95 300tdi 130 Single cab tray.
    2010 Guzzi 750

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