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    Quote Originally Posted by 1950landy View Post
    The photo of the engine bay is that the compliance plate on the bulkhead behind the rocker cover ? It looks like it just can't make it out. If it has been previous registered with the Holden motor you may not need need a Mod Plate being a S3.
    That is not a compliance plate but looks like the standard series 3 LR Nomenclature plate that would normally be fastened to the firewall, but on the inside.

    Registration papers from another state indicating that engine being fitted should get around the lack of a compliance plate or a record in the NSW system should suffice.

    My Jag, Haflinger and 101 do not have compliance plates and I have never had an issue.

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    Looks like a good starting point, shame it hasn't got the original motor although there are lots on the forum with Holden or other non-original motors including me.

    Has the front crossmember been cut to fit the motor ? There have been some dodgy installs over the years and modifications to the chassis can cause problems. Radiator looks original though.

    A lot of us have been where you're about to go so worthwhile checking out some of the build threads.
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    I have a feeling it hasn't been registered with this engine in it, which could definitely make for some unforeseen challenges – I'm guessing this will involve getting an engineers certificate if not?

    I will check if the chassis has been cut tomorrow.

    I spent way longer than anticipated trying to find the chassis number on the chassis today, but eventually spotted a hint of an imprint and after a bit of wire brushing the full matching chassis number was revealed.

    I spoke to RMS who didn't know how to surface a vehicle history with just the serial number but they've pointed me to an Access Application form to get them to look through everything they have on record. Might not be needed but going to go ahead with it for interests sake regardless.

    @JohnboyLandy Just looking to replace the bottom half with one that's a lot straighter, this one really stands out alongside all the other straight panels. I'm already planning to get in touch with Series Land Rover Rescue once I get a plan in place for the rego stuff.

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    I also noticed what looks like an Annand & Thompson plate on the dash just in front & to the left of the gear leaver , it may have been a Qld rego, so could also check with Qld Transport for previous rego with Holden motor.

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    Quite a few years ago I had a S2 with a Holden motor.
    Great fun, but spent a lot of time trying to get the cooling / radiator adequate for the motor.
    Finally got cooling reasonable and then the gearbox failed. I then was told "Yeah those land rover gearboxes don't last long behind a Holden motor".

    It seems the power/torque is more than the gearbox is designed for and will sooner or later give big problems - like the broken lay shaft that happened to me.
    I also found the Holden carby was not the greatest for off-road bumps and slopes.

    At the time I had had enough of working on the S2, so swapped in a second hand g'box (up through the floor as you do when the cross member is fixed on these series chassis) and sold it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LyleC View Post
    Quite a few years ago I had a S2 with a Holden motor.
    Great fun, but spent a lot of time trying to get the cooling / radiator adequate for the motor.
    Finally got cooling reasonable and then the gearbox failed. I then was told "Yeah those land rover gearboxes don't last long behind a Holden motor".

    It seems the power/torque is more than the gearbox is designed for and will sooner or later give big problems - like the broken lay shaft that happened to me.
    I also found the Holden carby was not the greatest for off-road bumps and slopes.

    At the time I had had enough of working on the S2, so swapped in a second hand g'box (up through the floor as you do when the cross member is fixed on these series chassis) and sold it.
    As I think I commented above - the problem with the Holden motors and the gearbox is actually that a significant proportion of the adapter plated to match the Holden engine to the Rover gearbox were not made sufficiently accurately, so that the gearbox input shaft, spigoted in the flywheel at one end, and held by the input bearing at the other end is at a small angle. This places an excessive sideways load on the front of the layshaft, excessive load on the input bearing, misaligns the mainshaft, with all the implications of that, so it is simply a matter of which part fails first.

    The part is replaced, and the gearbox gets the blame, especially as it will probably fail again after a bit more use.
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    Yes, indeed John, that would be consistent with such failures.
    The problem is then - what can be done?
    If the Holden motor is to be kept, then it might take some very careful measurement of engine, adapter and gearbox bolting and shaft location to work out where the problem lies. I would imagine that the adapters were made 'flat' and did not introduce an angular misalignment, so more likely they had a parallel offset due to bolting location.
    When industrial motor/pumps need coupling alignment its straight forward, but motor/gearbox alignment is not designed to be adjustable or measurable.

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    I have not had to deal with it, but I assume that it is a parallel offset issue as you say. Could even be just that the holes are too big so that it is impossible to keep it lined up properly - the answer there would be a couple of locating dowels on each side, or even just turned sleeves on a couple of bolts provided the location of the holes is accurate.

    The holes on the bellhousing are in a common circle, so once the adapter and flywheel are on the engine it should be easy to check the situation.
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    Hi Nick.
    Play dumb, say It was fitted with the Holden. See what happens first. Most dont know and dont care.
    My SWB soft top registered as a LWB soft top, after spending 40 mins at Murwillumbah RMS, thats 'All they could find' under Land Rover.
    If Blue slip had said Leyland, not LR, it may have come up. But blue slip said LR, so thats what they had to look for !!!!
    Another SWB owner, close to you has his S2 SWB registered as a 7 seater. RMS were more interested in the lovely photos, he was showing them.

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    Also remember that in NSW in the 70s and 80s that the Holden modification was a RTA class approved modification and did not require engineering - you did the mod and just changed the engine number etc.

    Now most RMS service people dont know this (because they are too young) and will automatically assume it needs top be engineered - and depending on circumstances it may well be - but discuss with RMS and see how you go.

    2" lift kits for 4wd Subaru's have the same class approval process, so no engineering. I was defected for having a lift kit and went to Tech standards and demanded they look up the class approval - and there is was - RMS did nor know anything about it until I highlighted it.

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