QLD Rego stats 2018 for Series LR's

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Originally Posted by Bigbjorn

Check for Leyland Land Rover. At Leyland T&B we registered all LR's and RR's as Leyland.

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Hi BigB
yup, I think I included all of them.
Some of the Leyland ones had models of Land Rover, Rover, Range Rover, Land and even just Rov. Others had more typical Series designations.
I didn’t include Leyland with no model at all, could be anything.

The data itself is pretty crap and inconsistent, model names varied from Roman numerals to normal numbers, some were “2A Series” then “Series 2A” or “Series IIA” and evening just “2A”
There are records with no manufacture date and plenty of spelling errors.

I’ll look at the body type tomorrow to see what the make up is. No way to tell short vs long though.
hope it’s of interest.
R

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Originally Posted by RichardJ

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I’ll look at the body type tomorrow to see what the make up is. No way to tell short vs long though.
hope it’s of interest.
R

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Most of the Series 1 are listed as "utility". If this is even remotely correct it would be pretty remarkable that survival was that selective. Certainly nearly all lwb Series 1 were utes, but the swb probably outnumbered them at least 4:1 in this country, and the vast majority of these were rag tops. And nearly all the ones that were not were "panel vans", i.e hardtops. Utes were virtually unheard of.

So my guess is that the majority of the ones described as "utility" are not. I could believe selective survival if the majority were hardtops - these tend to be the preferable body as S/H Landrovers went into recreational use, so not only would these be more likely to survive, but, of course, being Landrovers, it is easy to swap the hardtop onto another one after the older one died.

The numbers for Series 2/3 are more believable, but my guess is a lot of the classifications for all Series Landrovers are wildly inaccurate.

All our new vehicle retail sales to general public customers as opposed to dealer sales at Truck and Bus were registered as private use utility as this was then the cheapest CTP classification. Station wagons excepted. In the early to late seventies nearly half of new LR sales were 109" with dropside bodies. Customers were principally primary producers and government. Few private sales for recreational use then. Leyland Truck and Bus, Rocklea, was the distributor for Queensland and Northern NSW down to Grafton. T&B were also the only Brisbane retail dealer. T&B took over distribution from Annand & Thomson in July 1973.

Yes, by the seventies most sales would have been utes or traybacks. But mostly lwb - swb utes were always rare. And yes, recreational four wheel drives were rarely bought new until late seventies - the Game was a symptom of this changing market. Before then, recreational users nearly all bought second hand ones.

The one in my sig is registered as a 'wagon',as its a 5 seater,has the bench seat in the rear.

I need to add some more records to my Series table as I just thought to check “Rover” as a make.
There seem to be a few Series under that as well as plenty of Range Rovers. There’s also a Make “Rover”, model “Range”.
I really don’t know how a rego system like this operates ... it seems like any value can be entered in any field.
Watch this space ...

A lot of the Series vehicles, those that have been registered for a long time, would have had the data entered off the paper records, where the only check on what was entered would be the officer filling out the form. Many of these would have no idea as to valid model descriptions.

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Originally Posted by JDNSW

A lot of the Series vehicles, those that have been registered for a long time, would have had the data entered off the paper records, where the only check on what was entered would be the officer filling out the form. Many of these would have no idea as to valid model descriptions.

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Forms originally completed by junior clerks at a dealership who likewise had no idea of model.

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Originally Posted by Bigbjorn

Forms originally completed by junior clerks at a dealership who likewise had no idea of model.

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This would apply for ones that have been continuously registered in Qld, but a lot will have changed states over their lives, and the paper entries will have been made by clerks at the Qld registry office who had even less idea. Probably whatever the applicant said. When did Queensland put it all on computer?

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Originally Posted by JDNSW

This would apply for ones that have been continuously registered in Qld, but a lot will have changed states over their lives, and the paper entries will have been made by clerks at the Qld registry office who had even less idea. Probably whatever the applicant said. When did Queensland put it all on computer?

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Sometime in the 1970's. Stan Rawlings was the top man in Main Roads then and dragged them into the computer age. He lived three doors from me and told me about the internal battles as various sections fought to protect their turf. He realised in the mid 60's that the dept would never cope with the ever increasing workload of manual recording and accounting unless it computerised. So when the new modern high rise office building was built in Spring Hill Stan got the ball rolling. This building is now flats, a hotel, and other mostly accommodation and hospitality businesses. Main Roads got amalgamated with Transport.

All the old files are in the State Archives and can be accessed by researchers. Records were kept by registration number and you need to know this if you wish to see a file for a particular vehicle. They are manila folders with the number in heavy print across the front.