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    Vehicle History Research tools

    Have been doing some research lately into how I might be able to possibly trace the origins of my precious landies. This has raised a few questions I will try to short cut by finding out from you guys who may have already found out.

    Here is what I know so far.

    Gaydon Motor Museum

    For a fee you can get heritage certificates and do research on your vehicle for all land rovers from 48 - 96, and do traces based on either chassis#, engine# or body#(not that it applies to Land Rovers) and get the dispatch specs and date. You can also go there and do your own research.

    Question: Does this also apply to CKD vehicles?

    Pressed Metal Corporation.

    No surviving documentation.

    Motor Dealers

    Grenville Motors

    Records survive and if you are in the know a VERY GENEROUS AND KIND PERSON will search them for you in their spare time and let you know if your vehicle is in them giving you chassis#, engine#, configuration, delivery date and first owner (SMHEA in my case)

    Annand and Thompson

    No surviving records

    Others

    Unknown

    Government Registration Bodies

    You can for a fee, do a vehicle search under different guises. In Queensland a FOI search, although computerised records only go back to 1984 and it is unknown if paper records before that still exist. Similar story in NSW, although I think they may have a longer timeline of available records.

    Now I have 1 Annand and Thompson vehicle, 1 Grenville and the rest are unknown. Just hoping to get some more info from here before plonking down some hard earned with goverment bodies and such which is only going to come up empty.

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    Tha Annand & Thompson warranty and service record cards were passed on to Leyland Truck and Bus, Rocklea in 1973 with the change of distribution. T&B was submerged in the 1974 flood and the A&T cards were thrown out in the clean-up. I do not know what happened to the t&b records in the subsequent changes to distribution from t&b to Leyland Aust. to JRA to LRA etc. Certainly nothing before July 1973 of Qld. sales survives.

    Qld. registration records may survive in the State Archives at Runcorn. However, records were kept in manila folders by registration number. To search you need to know the registration number.

    Best of luck.
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    I was unaware that you could do an FOI search of the RTA records in NSW! I have been unable to get the details on my classic Range Rover anywhere back past 1991 even though I was/am the previous owner (dispute over engine capacity type approval). The computer system was changed in 1991 or thereabouts and they no longer have a computer capable of reading the earlier data. I doub't that they will be able to provide records going back early enough for our Series ones when the records were paper. There was also privacy legislation that prevented anyone getting any information but the immediate previous owner (the one that you bought it from) or if it was ever registered as a taxi cab.

    Regarding BMIHT (Gaydon Museum) - the dispatch books for CKD vehicles list only the chassis/car numbers, destination distributor and date of shipping. CKD vehicles were shipped in batches of 6 vehicles, in a variety of crates containing 6 of each assembly. Which engine, gearbox, axle assembly went with which chassis was only determined at the assembly plant. In fact with the variations of numbers in Au assembled vehicles it seems that different assemblies from different batches were combined to make up vehicles and an example is a Grenville Motors assembled 80" which by it's number and the verhicles either side should be lights through was actually fitted with a lights behind grill.

    This variation in quality control was a major reason for Rover Co contracting LNC Industries to do all their Au assembly in the LNC Pressed Metals enfield factory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies View Post
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    I have been unable to get the details on my classic Range Rover anywhere back past 1991 even though I was/am the previous owner (dispute over engine capacity type approval). The computer system was changed in 1991 or thereabouts and they no longer have a computer capable of reading the earlier data.
    NSW RTA keeps computer/paper records for 25 years. They have access to the paper stuff from 1984 to 1991 then the computer stuff - though I assume the paper records for 1984 have or about to be destroyed in line with the 25 year rule. I know this as I was able to get information on my series 1 back to the early 80s and FOI is not required - however the actual information is limited.

    See here New Toy - 1957 107" ute

    FOI will most likely provide more infomation but personal information is still safeguarded under FOI.

    Garry
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    1977 FC 101
    1973 Haflinger AP700
    1971 Jaguar V12 E-Type Series 3 Roadster
    1957 Series 1 88"
    1957 Series 1 88" Station Wagon

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    When I spoke with Queensland Transport, with their FOI search, they contact the previous owners and ask if they mind if their details are passed on, thus possibly giving you the chance to find stories or pictures from the past if you can then contact the previous owners. The search includes rego no.s so if it was registered post 1984 you shoulod be able to search the paper records if they exist. I know my 56 109 was.

    So it seems CKD vehicles can be traced to an extent from Gaydon. Might give an idea as to where it went, as my 107 has no badges at all. Not even the PMC plate. I know some CKD's were sent to the dealers. Annand and Thompson imported some of their own vehicles straight from the factory. Were they complete, assembled by A&T, PMC or a combination of all 3?

    CC

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    The Faulls Perth Sales books also exist.

    The Victorian Rego info is with the Jaguar and Austin Healy Car Club. You can do a trace by writing to the Association of Motoring clubs, but it can be difficult as vehicles were registered by engine number and engines move a hell of a lot and then the LR's are mixed up in the Holdens if they had one fitted

    You can also trace a vehicle through Land Rover themselves, but you need to have proof of ownership and they do a trace and often send a photocopy of the page entry of your vehicle, but is difficult from Oz as you have to send the a cheque for around 15 quid so have to get an OS cehque made up.

    So what is the chassis number of your 107"

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    Thanks guys. The purpose of this thread was to collect all the search info for us in Australia of what we can find in one place.

    I will be paying for searches from the different places as it may show a small peice of the history puzzles I have. To use my vehicles as an example.

    "LEN"
    Chassis# 57661043
    5 - 1955
    7 - series 1
    6 - 86" basic CKD
    6 - export RHD
    # - 1043 of 2350

    Engine# 57102775
    1956 2l spreadbore

    Gearbox#

    Front Diff#
    5710

    Rear Diff#

    Now this vehicle was reported as an ex-SMHEA vehicle. It has the remains of the Snowy decal on the door, has heater and demister fitted and a single fan blade fan. The Grenville books confirm it was sold on the 05/05/1955 to the Snowy Mountains Hydro-electric Authority. It also shows a different engine no., so somewhere along the way a different motor has been fitted. Searching the engine no. in the grenville books would tell me if the SMHEA did it or later. After this it has owner info on the door as having belonged to Murwillumbah Motors. NSW RTA search should help fill in gaps, and hopefully when it was sold from SMHEA.


    "MAL"

    Chassis# 277600179
    27 - series 1 107"
    7 - CKD, RHD
    6 - 1956
    # - 179 of 1188

    Engine# 170600838
    1956 2 litre spreadbore

    Gearbox# 170602041
    1956

    Front Diff# 270600829
    1956 lwb axle

    Rear Diff# 270601145
    1956 lwb axle

    Dove grey Deluxe cab

    Now this vehicle was bought as an unfinished project in peices. Alot of resto work has been done, but alot is missing such as dealer plates. If I can get dispatch records I can find out when shipped, roughly assembled and where. It has an old black and white QLD plate still attatched OKB919 so may be able to FOI search and hopefully was still registered post 1984, and can use the numberplate to search paper records. It has a rough timber tray fitted and all the no.s are pretty close and correct to possibly the originals fitted.

    "Mike"

    Chassis# 123601342
    1 - land rover
    23 - series 1, 109 basic CKD, RHD
    6 - 1956
    #01342 - 155 of 253

    Engine# 170616471
    1956 2 litre spreadbore

    Gearbox# 111805186
    1958

    Front diff# 270606720
    1956 lwb axle

    Rear Diff
    1956 lwb axle

    This vehicle is fitted with a thomas pto winch, so are thinking the fitting of the winch may have coincided with the '58 gearbox being fitted. It is also marked "Bush Fire Brigade", has the ignition key blanked off and replaced with a turning button in the ignition. It is an Annand and Thompson Vehicle. It has and old QLD rego sticker post 1984 so a search is possible on this vehicle. Info from the PO indicates this vehicle was a Fraser Island RFS vehicle, then sold to a country property owner. The chassis has been modified to hold sump oil with drain plugs. The searches will tell me when built and shipped. I know A&T but could possibly trace to RFS, and previously CAA going by the previous paint schemes.

    All my other vehicles have been registered post 1984. I want to search my 11a to narrow down the year, and my stage 1 is a 2nd owner.

    CC

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    Normal rules with FOI requests in the Commonwealth Public Service are that you will not be provided with personal details of anyone other than yourself. The FOI officer usually writes to the applicant stating that the file contains xx documents, x pertain to other persons and are confidential, x were supplied by yourself and you may access these, x are departmental processing documents, etc. etc. and asks which documents do you wish to view. I don't know what rules QT operate under but I thought FOI was federal legislation.

    Qld. Transport are very sticky about "privacy" and requests for name and address of the owner of a currently registered vehicle, such requests usually being rejected for " insuficient good reason". I made some back door enquiries through acquaintances in the Dept. to find that just about the only acceptable reason was to attempt to recover damages from a "hit and run" type of incident and you will have to supply a police accident report number.
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    just got a couple of 1's

    hi chasps
    just swaped 74 rangie for 2 series 1's the newer on seems to be an 86''
    nuumber 57660754
    the other is an 80'' number 36660935
    how do i confirm what i have

    any help would be great ta
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    CalVIN, the Land Rover VIN CALculator

    57660754

    Model year: 1957
    Model: Land Rover,Series I, petrol
    Body type: 86in,
    completely knocked down (CKD)
    Destination: Right-hand drive (RHD), export market
    0754Serial number
    CalVIN, the Land Rover VIN CALculator

    36660935


    Model year: 1953
    Model: Land Rover, Series I, 80in, petrol
    Body type: Completely knocked down (CKD)
    Destination: Right-hand drive (RHD), export market
    0935Serial number
    1995 Defender 110 300TDI :D
    1954 86" Series 1 Automatic :eek:
    Ex '66 109" flat deck, '82 109" 3 door, '89 110 CSW V8, '74 Range Rover, '66 88" soft top, '78 88" soft top, '95 Disco ES V8, '88 Surf, '90 Surf, '84 V8 Surf, '91 Vitara.

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