Transporting Gas Cylinders

[VladTepes]

Went to get my BBQ gas cylinder filled up prior to our Fraser trip, and was astounded to be told that, in addition to the pre-existing rules:
http://dme.digdnn.com/zone_files/pet...rtransport.pdf

it has now been made illegal to transport >1 cylinder or a cylinder of >9kg in an enclose vehicle. OK for utes, but a problem for folks planning a long trip and only have a wagon !
Also its a MUST to have a screw plug in the outlet whenever the cylinder is not in use.

This means camping shops etc cannot fill more than one cylinder for you if you are putting them into an enclosed vehicle for the trip home. There's a big stick too.... The info sheet the lady at the camping shop showed me mentioned a $37,000 fine !!!!.

Does anyone know more about this as I can't find any updated info on the web.

Thanks

[Blknight.aus]

Roughly

the limit is now effectively not more than 9kg of gas not just one 9k bottle so you cant have a 6 and a 4.5 in the car at once even if empty....

the screw in bung is a gas tight bung and must be supplied to suit the gas bottle pre filling or they are not supposed to fill it unless they have stock in hand to seal the bottle after you fill it.

This does not include bottles fitted to the vehicle for use IE the gas bottle that feeds your 3 way fridge or the LPG tank that provides fuel for the engine. These are covered under a different set of regs.

exchange bottles are supposed to come with the bung installed or they aren't ment to swap them...


whats ment to happen and what happens....

[MacFamily]

Well didnt know about that Vlad thanks for the info.We always take at least a 9kg bottle camping with us depending on how long we are camping for, may have to reevaluate my options.

I know the OL sell gas bottle brakets put would rather avoid
LR Def Gas Bott Brkt Single - Dolium Pty Ltd.

Ive always had a screw plug and also carry/store my bottle in a milk crate as i find it alot easier to pack/store in the back of the fender.

[Utemad]

I thought that was always the case in regards to what you can carry.

As for the bung I found that some places will charge you around $2.50 for it while others give it away with a fill.
The bungs work well though. I turned my bottle on with the bung in place and nothing happened. They're a good thing.

[alien]

This is way I go....

Bracket from a caravan yard with a steel strap under the roof rack mesh.@$35.00 all up with bolts ect..
Rubber on edge that rests on the bottle and it sits on timber also.
Longer hose on stove and I also block the outlet when traviling.It stays on the roof when camping


Some intersesting numbers
1 Litre of liquid = 270 Litres of gas....I think 7-11% with air to ignite.

So how many litres in a 9KG bottle?

[adonuff]

Hi Not to sure of the legalities but I used to have a 20ft bus set up as a motor-home It had a 351 V8 on LPG and had the biggest gas tank I've ever seen.

The stove and fridge and the hot water service ran streight off the LPG tank via a regulator and everything worked perfectly for many years.
This was installed prior to my purchasing it!

Depending on the room it would not be too far fetched to put a small LPG tank underneath and fit a proper LPG filler cap next to your existing filler cap It might even be safer than carrying a 9 kg bottle? Or if you already have LPG might even be simpler?

Think to do this leagally would require engineering report and consultation with insurance company but I have seen it work before. (proberly not legal)

The other thing to note is the vast cost differance, 40 to 50 cents per litre as compared to $25.00 - $30.00 for a 9kg Gas bottle.

I have had many discussions as to bottled gas is differant to LPG and have yet to find a definitive answer, LPG ran my stuff for 3 years and I lived in the bus full time up until the time I sold it.

This sounds too simple to do and I realise there will proberly a million miles of red tape and rules and regs involved all I can say is it worked for me for 3 years full time and it might be worth looking into.

Andrew

[d2dave]

Some intersesting numbers
1 Litre of liquid = 270 Litres of gas....I think 7-11% with air to ignite.

So how many litres in a 9KG bottle?

Approx17 litres in a 9kg bottle. The above statement is not entirely correct.

One part liquid = 270 parts vapour.

Vapour isn't measured in litres.

Dave.

[d2dave]

Hi Not to sure of the legalities but I used to have a 20ft bus set up as a motor-home It had a 351 V8 on LPG and had the biggest gas tank I've ever seen.

The stove and fridge and the hot water service ran streight off the LPG tank via a regulator and everything worked perfectly for many years.
This was installed prior to my purchasing it!

Depending on the room it would not be too far fetched to put a small LPG tank underneath and fit a proper LPG filler cap next to your existing filler cap It might even be safer than carrying a 9 kg bottle? Or if you already have LPG might even be simpler?

Think to do this leagally would require engineering report and consultation with insurance company but I have seen it work before. (proberly not legal)

The other thing to note is the vast cost differance, 40 to 50 cents per litre as compared to $25.00 - $30.00 for a 9kg Gas bottle.

I have had many discussions as to bottled gas is differant to LPG and have yet to find a definitive answer, LPG ran my stuff for 3 years and I lived in the bus full time up until the time I sold it.

This sounds too simple to do and I realise there will proberly a million miles of red tape and rules and regs involved all I can say is it worked for me for 3 years full time and it might be worth looking into.

Andrew

This is defiantly illegal. Most auto gas nowadays is a mixture of butane and propane, whereas bottled gas is pure propane.

Having said this it will still operate your appliances ok

Dave.

[adonuff]

This is defiantly illegal. Most auto gas nowadays is a mixture of butane and propane, whereas bottled gas is pure propane.

Having said this it will still operate your appliances ok

Dave.

Thanks Dave, I expected as much,

[alien]

Approx17 litres in a 9kg bottle. The above statement is not entirely correct.

One part liquid = 270 parts vapour.

Vapour isn't measured in litres.

Dave.

Thanks for the corection Dave

So a full bottle @ 4,590 parts of vapour if it all leaks out