Say ta ta to the Puma next year...

[rick130]

Apparently the Transit engine won't meet the new Euro emission's standard so a new engine is to be fitted next year according to the feeds.

A huuuge 2.2 litres in capacity.

Land Rover Defender (2011) scooped | Secret New Cars | Car Magazine Online



So much for any commercial use/sales here anymore.

BTW, check the comment underneath.
These blokes design the cars for tomorrow.
Yep, a plug in hybrid is just the thing for commercial use and remote area work......

The next Defender should showcase JLR technologies... and become the ultimate Green machine.
Be innovative and fresh, Include new build methods, Recycled materials, lightweight plastic body panels, hybrid/plug-in/diesel power


I wish these blokes would leave the CBD sometimes. A Defender isn't a city car.

[JDNSW]

Apparently the Transit engine won't meet the new Euro emission's standard so a new engine is to be fitted next year according to the feeds.

A huuuge 2.2 litres in capacity.

Land Rover Defender (2011) scooped | Secret New Cars | Car Magazine Online



So much for any commercial use/sales here anymore.

Despite the reduction in capacity the article says "increased power & torque". And I don't remember any adverse comments on performance grounds when going from the 2.5 Td5 to the 2.4 Puma.

The fact is that once you provide boosted induction in an engine, performance is not tied to engine capacity. And the presumably lighter engine is likely to provide other benefits. How succesful the engine turns out to be will depend on a lot of factors, but the absolute capacity is a long way down the list.

John

[inside]

If its getting the same 2.2 from the current Freelander, which is probably a safe bet, there shouldn't any problems with power and torque as long as they don't have to detune it too much.

[rick130]

Despite the reduction in capacity the article says "increased power & torque". And I don't remember any adverse comments on performance grounds when going from the 2.5 Td5 to the 2.4 Puma.

The fact is that once you provide boosted induction in an engine, performance is not tied to engine capacity. And the presumably lighter engine is likely to provide other benefits. How succesful the engine turns out to be will depend on a lot of factors, but the absolute capacity is a long way down the list.

John

Torque off idle and engine braking are two things I'm constantly reminded of when jumping from the Defender to the Patrol John.

You just can't beat displacement in those two areas.

Two more reasons why i want go 4BD1T

[Pedro_The_Swift]

I'm sorry Rick,,

I just had too---

[abaddonxi]

I'm sorry Rick,,

I just had too---

Stick it to da man!

[uninformed]

regading capacity, all things being equal....2 engines with the same power out put, one small and one big...which one is doing more work, which one should last longer in the real world....small FID are fine in cars...but not IMO in work trucks....oh and im not talking 6 or 7 liters....just something like 3-4....makes a difference over 2.2-2.5....

rant rant rant

[JDNSW]

Torque off idle and engine braking are two things I'm constantly reminded of when jumping from the Defender to the Patrol John.

You just can't beat displacement in those two areas.

Two more reasons why i want go 4BD1T

Not necessarily a problem with small capacity, although I agree that it often is a problem. To get good torque off idle from a small engine, you need a big turbocharger, probably with variable geometry, to get lots of air in at low engine speed.

And you also have to build the engine solidly enough and with a big enough flywheel to stand up to the power pulses. In fact this is probably why there is usually a lack of torque off idle on small engines - the smaller capacity does not need as big a flywheel to idle smoothly so it doesn't get it!

John

[pc3]

Apparently the Transit engine won't meet the new Euro emission's standard so a new engine is to be fitted next year according to the feeds.

A huuuge 2.2 litres in capacity.

Land Rover Defender (2011) scooped | Secret New Cars | Car Magazine Online



So much for any commercial use/sales here anymore.

BTW, check the comment underneath.
These blokes design the cars for tomorrow.
Yep, a plug in hybrid is just the thing for commercial use and remote area work......

The next Defender should showcase JLR technologies... and become the ultimate Green machine.
Be innovative and fresh, Include new build methods, Recycled materials, lightweight plastic body panels, hybrid/plug-in/diesel power


I wish these blokes would leave the CBD sometimes. A Defender isn't a city car.

Well it would seem that the PUMA may just be the last of the "real" defenders................on another not how much would it cost/or is it possible to get the new TDV8 into the PUMA ?? If my numbers come up I'm going to do that

[PAT303]

Arrh well,looks like I'm rebuilding my Tdi with worked head,VNT,mandrel exhaust and 4HP22. Pat