Bull bar information

[ken224]

Bull bars.

This has been discussed extensively in the past and so far I have learned:

ARB (same issues apply to OL)
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- strong with good clearance, but
- no provision for cameras
- parking sensor holes have to be drilled and there is no mounting hardware?
- water bottle clearance is a problem
- headlights can not be removed while the bull bar is in place

ECB
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- has provision for cameras and sensors, but
- mounting of cameras/sensors is somewhat "agricultural" (zip ties)
- parking sensors often do not work and ECB does not provide any support
- poor clearance
- alloy is weaker than steel

Land Rover
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- seems to have provision for cameras and sensors, but
- I have never seen it in flesh (apart from some photos of prototypes which may not represent the final product)
- dealers only know the price and stock status. No display model
- no information on headlamp clearance and removal, bulb replacement
- no information on installation. Can the original cameras be used and how are they mounted
- ditto for sensors
- does fog light removal (bulb replacement) require access from behind?

All this almost makes me give up and save a lot of money ...

Does anybody have experience with the LR bar? Any photo of the final product? Any advice about other products I am not aware of?

Thanks

[Piddler]

You forgot Land Rover bar ugly as sin you must like what you look at and it is certainly not eye sweet.
Cheers

[Tinman]

Have ARB bar with parking sensors fitted without drilling bar as you void warranty which works great. When was the last time you had to pull out your headlight

[ken224]

Yes, I have seen the Land Rover photos (prototype?) but not the real thing. The prototype is not a pretty sight, very in your face. Is the final product the same? Has anybody seen it?

But in my case it is more about functionality than aesthetics. The headlights were designed to allow bulb change without tools and in poor light. I can not imagine why they have designed the ARB this way. Same goes for the parking sensors: not much use if they constantly beep.

Seems all the products I know of have some serious shortcoming or other. Is there anything else out there?

And yes, I have replaced light bulbs before and have been grateful for being able to do it without special tools.

[101RRS]

When was the last time you had to pull out your headlight

I have had my car for 2 1/2 years and had to do it twice - currently a blown parker so will have to do it again.

If I had a bar it would have been a pain.

Garry

[Tinman]

Had mine 7 years never replaced a bulb yet. With fingers crossed. Fitted parking sensors myself to ARB bar no drilling steel. work a gem with no unwanted beeps. Works like Landrover fitted. Just because someone else has failed does not mean that it cant be done

[SBD4]

Yes, I have seen the Land Rover photos (prototype?) but not the real thing. The prototype is not a pretty sight, very in your face. Is the final product the same? Has anybody seen it?

But in my case it is more about functionality than aesthetics. The headlights were designed to allow bulb change without tools and in poor light. I can not imagine why they have designed the ARB this way. Same goes for the parking sensors: not much use if they constantly beep.

Seems all the products I know of have some serious shortcoming or other. Is there anything else out there?

And yes, I have replaced light bulbs before and have been grateful for being able to do it without special tools.

looks like its the same:
Sydney Landrover Prestige Vehicle Sales ? The Alto Group
http://www.mlr.com.au/ssl/assets/48_...-Rover-MLR.pdf
2000GBP from britcar - got to be at least 1K cheaper than here(at a guess):
Britcar (UK) Ltd > VPLAP0108 BAR - PROTECTION(G)

[ADMIRAL]

Ken,

Not quite correct. you can buy an OL bar predrilled for sensors. I know because the first bar OL tried to give me was this bar.

Yes you cannot take out the headlight completely, but you can get it out far enough to easily change globes. If you really want the headlight out, take out the top mount bolts, and swivel the bullbar forward.

[ken224]

Thank you for this. So the new generation of OL can be pre-drilled for sensors. How about the cameras? Has anybody used ARB or OL with cameras?

Thanks

[Tombie]

I have had my car for 2 1/2 years and had to do it twice - currently a blown parker so will have to do it again.

If I had a bar it would have been a pain.

Garry

On the D4 I can change everything from behind the light with it in place... (Except the light itself).

And my lights themselves are proving quite resilient considering the number of bird strikes they have survived recently