'Berty' - 1960 Series 2

[Sam22]

G'day Ladies and Gents,

I am currently working on a 1960 Series 2 Serial Number 143000756, Body Number 3204.

Lotz-a-Landy's informs me that it should have Engine Number 151012896 however, on inspection I have found it has Engine Number 151005279. My understanding is that it is a 2L engine as a result of how the exhaust exits the engine bay (high and right), however would appreciate confirmation. (I note that a separate thread here identifies that the 2L engine stopped being used at the end of 1958?). I have attached a photo of the engine to assist.

Lotz-a-Landy's informs me that it entered the country on 4 May 1960 and went to the Cooma dealer P.D. Murphy. Also that it was a hard top although it is now a ute.

Any thoughts on the engine number discrepancy and engine size would be appreciated. Any additional information on the history of the vehicle would also be appreciated. Does anyone hold the records of the P.D. Murphy dealership?

Photos attached below (initial and current). Have since cleaned up, complete brakes, and am halfway through suspension.

Thanks,

Sam

[JDNSW]

Definitely 2.25l engine. Easy way to tell is both manifolds on the same side.

That is the early exhaust manifold (I don't think you can get them), but the later straight down one is interchangeable, although you will have to swap the engine pipe as well. The engine has probably been swapped at some time, possibly early in its life, especially if the initial owner was a fleet operator.

[Sam22]

G'day John,

Thanks for the confirmation. Appreciate it.

I will need to install a new exhaust as a component of the rebuild (current one is rusted out) and can re-run it through the original hole with the lower manifold. Whenever the exhaust or engine were swapped over they cut a new route for the higher exhaust exit pipe and will have to patch/replace that.

Still seems odd to me that the engine was swapped out for an 'older' engine (based on a lower serial number); but maybe your fleet explanation is on point, or maybe the vehicle went threw a rebuild at an earlier stage before it got to me.

Thanks again.

Sam

[Dgd69]

I have serial 143001010 ex ku ring Gai case trust vehicle its original engine long gone but have the original number I ended up finding a 59 series 2 engine and still has the swan neck manifold to exit thru the guard
The swan neck manifold for my 1960 series 2

[Sam22]

Another question to the wider audience.

What have people used for replacement Series 2 shocks? I just picked up my replacement Monroe Shocks to realise that despite repeated checks with Repco and Monroe that the rears are for the LWB and not the SWB. I will have to return the rears and find an alternative as it appears that Monroe don't even make an option for the SWB rear.

http://www.monroe.com.au/trade-corne...m_used=sidebar

Was hoping to finish the suspension this weekend but will have to wait until I can get appropriate rear shocks now. More is the pity.

Thanks,

Sam

[JDNSW]

Any of the regular Landrover suppliers should be able to supply. Have a look in the forum section "recommended suppliers".

[harry]

Another question to the wider audience.

What have people used for replacement Series 2 shocks? I just picked up my replacement Monroe Shocks to realise that despite repeated checks with Repco and Monroe that the rears are for the LWB and not the SWB. I will have to return the rears and find an alternative as it appears that Monroe don't even make an option for the SWB rear.

http://www.monroe.com.au/trade-corne...m_used=sidebar

Was hoping to finish the suspension this weekend but will have to wait until I can get appropriate rear shocks now. More is the pity.

Thanks,

Sam

I bought new rear shocks for my shorty from Repco, not sure,but I think they are Munro

[Sam22]

Right, so have managed to resolve (I think) the Munroe suspension issue.

Problem: The Monroe (Australia) 2016/2017 catalogue does not include a rear shock option for the Series 2 SWB only the LWB.

Solution: The Monroe (EU) 2016/2017 catalogue provides the following part numbers:
15-1445
D4044
EAN: 5412096455872
(I note that 15-1445 is also provided in the Series Generic parts information component of this site - I should have looked there before the initial order).
So my plan is to speak to Monroe and have them reverse engineer the EU part numbers to provide an equivalent Australian part number. Unfortunately, they are closed today, but will chase them up tomorrow. Will hopefully provide an updated part number post this for anyone coming after me and encountering the same issue.

Good news is, front parabolic leaf springs and shocks are installed; and I have managed to get the rear leaf springs off, just waiting on the new shocks to complete the job. Then it is time for a road test to find out the state of the engine (which I have had started and seems to run fine).

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[whitehillbilly64]

I went through this with my Series 3 SWB shocks.
Mate at Repco had three attempts to get the correct rears.
I have standard springs and hanger straps will be fitted, to limit down travel.
Front Munroe's, Gas Magnum 60, 160198.
Rear Munroe's Gas Magnum 60, 66828. Other number on shock, P271J2B. Pen written on both boxes, RB318G01
Not yet fitted, but fit the compressed and extended measurements of the original ones.

can take some pics next to original if needed.

whitehillbilly

[Sam22]

Thanks Whitehillbilly64. I have come across a slightly different solution. I spoke to Monroe this morning and based on the EU Monroe D4044 (Series II Rear Shock) they were able to replicate the same measurements with an (Australian) 16-0369 shock (which is normally used on the rear of a Holden Jackaroo). The only difficulty is that the upper ferrule has a sleeved bush. Solution is to purchase that shock with spare top bushes, Monroe part number SNP-002. A simple swap out is all that is then required of the top bushes only.

On a separate note, encountered some significant pricing discrepancy. Autobarn quoted $349 for the rear shocks as opposed to Repco at $431. The replacement top bushes cost $25. Fortunately, I was able to get Repco to price match. I only wish I had been aware of the price discrepancy before purchasing the front shocks!

Thanks again for the advice/part numbers. Will record how I get on when the parts come in.

Sam