EV Range Anxiety

[goingbush]

So much for Electric vehicle not having the range to tour Australia.

A 70year old woman (not that age matters) has completed a 20,000km circumnavigation of Australia in a Tesla , total cost for electricity ($150.00)

and this guy just drove from Holland to Darwin in what looks to be a DIY VW conversion
Electric car pulls up in Darwin after 800 day journey from the Netherlands - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

From the Netherlands to Australia in an EV | RAC WA

[Mick_Marsh]

So, I'd be able to drive from Melbourne to Sydney in a day. In a ICE powered car, it will take me a little over eight hours. Can an EV do it within twelve?

Don't get me wrong, Don. I was very impressed when I saw your conversion but, you seemed to think you would not have been able to drive there and back on one charge.
And how long does it take to fill the tank, so to speak? From empty to full, overnight? That's two days Melbourne to Sydney.

[Mick_Marsh]

Oh, and to prove I read the article:

The car, dubbed 'The Blue Bandit', can drive 200 kilometres before it runs out of power.

I know there are some distances which are bigger than that but there's nothing there so I know there are a lot of Tesla owners in this country so I hope I get maybe towed by someone.

[goingbush]

Obviouously there needs to be some culture 'adjustments'

I haven't been on train since i was a school kid, And I need to go to Sydney , Have booked first class tickets to go on the XPT , return price is cheaper than the diesel I'd use to go one way. & takes about the same time , plus I'll be able to check out the dining car !! Funny how easily you adapt - never ever considered that before.

[Mick_Marsh]

Obviouously there needs to be some culture 'adjustments'

I haven't been on train since i was a school kid, And I need to go to Sydney , Have booked first class tickets to go on the XPT , return price is cheaper than the diesel I'd use to go one way. & takes about the same time , plus I'll be able to check out the dining car !! Funny how easily you adapt - never ever considered that before.

Yep. And how shall I bring the trailer back?

[gromit]

Obviouously there needs to be some culture 'adjustments'

I haven't been on train since i was a school kid, And I need to go to Sydney , Have booked first class tickets to go on the XPT , return price is cheaper than the diesel I'd use to go one way. & takes about the same time , plus I'll be able to check out the dining car !! Funny how easily you adapt - never ever considered that before.

So buy an electric vehicle and use it to drive to the train station ?

I think we're a long way off electric vehicles (not hybrids) that meet the needs of all users. Mick's point about trailers/towing is one, range may be an issue for many but for others as a commuter vehicle they may meet all their needs.

Are they really 'greener' than an IC powered vehicle ? I think that's still up for discussion.....
Less emissions ? yes if charged using solar power but otherwise the emissions are at the power station.
Emissions also come from battery production & disposal.
More flexible & powerful in a automotive application ? Yes definitely but we quickly come back to range again.

I think my next purchase in a few years time will still have an IC engine but I understand why others may choose an EV.


Colin

[goingbush]

So buy an electric vehicle and use it to drive to the train station ?

I think we're a long way off electric vehicles (not hybrids) that meet the needs of all users. Mick's point about trailers/towing is one, range may be an issue for many but for others as a commuter vehicle they may meet all their needs.

Are they really 'greener' than an IC powered vehicle ? I think that's still up for discussion.....
Less emissions ? yes if charged using solar power but otherwise the emissions are at the power station.
Emissions also come from battery production & disposal.
More flexible & powerful in a automotive application ? Yes definitely but we quickly come back to range again.

I think my next purchase in a few years time will still have an IC engine but I understand why others may choose an EV.


Colin

Yep. Agreed, EV are not for everybody & I respect their opinions (unless they quote **** from the Koch Brothers)
I converted my LandRover to learn the tech & now see the argument from both sides. Most people that argue against EV's have never driven one. Electric forklifts , milk floats & Golf Buggys & Toyota Prius don't count.

Theres a lot of misinformation about EV's most of it initiated by Oil Companies . The Motor industry hate them as they will lose out on servicing / maintenance revenue.

At Least BP are getting onboard & have been for some time (IE BP Solar Panels have been about forever) BP have just bought UK's biggest charging network & are expanding it with rapid chargers, good move .

Yes of course EV's are greener , It takes as much electricity to extract and refine oil as it takes to drive an EV for the same distance that the oil would , and theres no further pollution . Batteries are 100% recyclable
But Im not even remotely interested in the politics nor the 'greenness' , I love them for more selfish reasons. Free to run , 100% reliable , Zero maintenance , Awesome to drive & 100% torque from zero & a host of other selfish reasons.

I just know I'll never buy another ICE car or 4x4. Im waiting for the New Defender , I know I said I wont buy one if its IFS , which it will be, but if theres a 100% battery model, as they say there will be, that will override the IFS / live axle argument for me , For the first time in 72 years there will be a reliable LandRover that dosen't leak oil. (Oh if it looks anything remotely like a D5 or RangeRover family I also won't buy one & will get an I-Pace instead)

[gromit]

Batteries are 100% recyclable

I remember when the Prius was launched they stated that the batteries at that time were not recyclable but by the time they came to the end of their life they would have sorted that out ?!
I also remember the $10K figure for replacement batteries but I also realise that battery technology has improved and costs are probably a lot lower now.

Are batteries 100% recyclable ? At what cost ?

The company I work for are involved with an electric truck being built for one of the large supermarket chains locally. Motors & batteries produced locally I'm told. Not sure if it's viable, a prototype or just being used for marketing purposes.
I'm involved with the blue oval (yes they still have a lot of people in R&D locally) and they have a partnership with a Chinese company to produce an EV.
Land Rover are heading in the direction of EV's as is every major car manufacturer.

So the sound of a V8 along with the 'pleasure' of motoring & motoring 'freedom' will eventually become things of the past.

We are heading towards a generation that want to get into their autonomous EV and via an app tell it where to take them. They can then continue to 'interact' on social media telling everyone about every aspect of their life and commenting on subjects they know little, if anything, about....it's a bright new future !


Colin

Colin

[Homestar]

So buy an electric vehicle and use it to drive to the train station ?

I think we're a long way off electric vehicles (not hybrids) that meet the needs of all users. Mick's point about trailers/towing is one, range may be an issue for many but for others as a commuter vehicle they may meet all their needs.

Are they really 'greener' than an IC powered vehicle ? I think that's still up for discussion.....
Less emissions ? yes if charged using solar power but otherwise the emissions are at the power station.
Emissions also come from battery production & disposal.
More flexible & powerful in a automotive application ? Yes definitely but we quickly come back to range again.

I think my next purchase in a few years time will still have an IC engine but I understand why others may choose an EV.


Colin

Regarding emmisions, even changing the batteries from the mains supplied by a coal power station still produces around 50% less emmissions that the equivelant ICE vehicle, so not perfect, but a good start on that front IMO.

Yes, still a long way off to meet all users needs, but for the average commuter that may only use the second car to do exactly that with or run the kids to Footy, they would work well. I think with 98% of what SWMBO does with her car, an EV would be viable right now.

[goingbush]

I remember when the Prius was launched they stated that the batteries at that time were not recyclable but by the time they came to the end of their life they would have sorted that out ?!
I also remember the $10K figure for replacement batteries but I also realise that battery technology has improved and costs are probably a lot lower now.

Are batteries 100% recyclable ? At what cost ?

The company I work for are involved with an electric truck being built for one of the large supermarket chains locally. Motors & batteries produced locally I'm told. Not sure if it's viable, a prototype or just being used for marketing purposes.
I'm involved with the blue oval (yes they still have a lot of people in R&D locally) and they have a partnership with a Chinese company to produce an EV.
Land Rover are heading in the direction of EV's as is every major car manufacturer.

So the sound of a V8 along with the 'pleasure' of motoring & motoring 'freedom' will eventually become things of the past.

We are heading towards a generation that want to get into their autonomous EV and via an app tell it where to take them. They can then continue to 'interact' on social media telling everyone about every aspect of their life and commenting on subjects they know little, if anything, about....it's a bright new future !


Colin

Colin

Want V8 sound in a EV - buy a Jag I-Pace

10K for batteries is on the mark, My 28.8kwh worth of LiFepo4's cost me $10,500 , but a Prius only has 8.8kwh .

Do you have something to do with this ?

SEA Electric – SEA…The Future

I know its old news but nothing on how they are performing ??

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Autonomy aint for me, I won't be buying a Tesla (hmm, unless they bring out a DC 4x4 Ute )