If it was an EV world: .. Switching to Petrol Cars

[goingbush]

Now I can understand there would be resistance to the change

SwitchToPetrolCars – Medium

[manic]

Jerkiness.. lol. Nice one.

Lihium battery packs are volatile. Pierce a fuel tank and you still need a spark. Pierce a lithium battery and you are toast.

Consider the number of ICE cars manufactured, and then all the massive lithium battery packs that would equal if we were in that alternate universe. Lithium batteries use finite resources, the explosive mining of which could have had a greater impact on the enviroment than sucking up oil did.

Then consider that all those cars would still have needed oil. Oil would still be a valuable resource without the petrol stations. With the worlds transport powered by lithium battery packs the resource wars would not have been comcentrated in the middle east. Perhaps Australia would have seen some action.

There are plenty of advantages with oil power over lithium power. Toxic fumes and co2 is the killer issue, and the reason why we need cars that do not emit. The build up of car fumes in congested urban areas has become unacceptable.

But if we effectivley force a whole new wave of private car ownership on a planet with billions of eligable humans and multi car households, we wont be solving any thing in terms of enviromental impact and resource scarcity.

Lets not pretend EVs are here to save the planet from environmental disaster. We need to check our numbers or completly change the way we live and consume way way less.

Sprawling mega citys will need to run transport as a service, no more private car ownership. This is the only credible solution going forward that I can think of. Zero emission automated vehicles built to simply take you from A to B . And if they cant crash, they could be made out of paper mache - right?

[goingbush]

Not sure Manic

EV batteries are not the same as Drone batteries.

Have a look, these are the exact Cells I used , I do have a spare one , where would you like me to pierce it ?

[goingbush]

Jerkiness.. lol. Nice one.

Lihium battery packs are volatile. Pierce a fuel tank and you still need a spark. Pierce a lithium battery and you are toast.

done that one above

Consider the number of ICE cars manufactured, and then all the massive lithium battery packs that would equal if we were in that alternate universe. Lithium batteries use finite resources, the explosive mining of which could have had a greater impact on the enviroment than sucking up oil did.

who mentioned Lithium , If we were living in an EV world we would have a decent energy source don't you think. Eg Solid state , Calcium or Sodium batteries .

You have a short memory, Gulf Of Mexico , Exxon Valdes, GW1 oil fires , Indonesia , Malacca strait , Alaska , need I go on

Then consider that all those cars would still have needed oil. Oil would still be a valuable resource without the petrol stations. With the worlds transport powered by lithium battery packs the resource wars would not have been comcentrated in the middle east. Perhaps Australia would have seen some action.

There are plenty of advantages with oil power over lithium power. Toxic fumes and co2 is the killer issue, and the reason why we need cars that do not emit. The build up of car fumes in congested urban areas has become unacceptable.

as above

But if we effectivley force a whole new wave of private car ownership on a planet with billions of eligable humans and multi car households, we wont be solving any thing in terms of enviromental impact and resource scarcity.

Lets not pretend EVs are here to save the planet from environmental disaster. We need to check our numbers or completly change the way we live and consume way way less.

Sprawling mega citys will need to run transport as a service, no more private car ownership. This is the only credible solution going forward that I can think of. Zero emission automated vehicles built to simply take you from A to B . And if they cant crash, they could be made out of paper mache - right?

Agree with that one, to a certain extent. Well Paper Mache aint rainproof but it a hell of a lot tougher than Aluminium LandRover panels ( I had a Demolition Derby car that had Paper Mache panels . )

[grey_ghost]

One word - convince.
I have driven 2600kms in 24 hours (Uluru to Safety Beach in Victoria). How can I do that in an Electric vehicle?
Before you start screaming “range anxiety” - let me say that I would love an EV. There just isn’t one out there yet that suits me.

[goingbush]

One word - convince.
I have driven 2600kms in 24 hours (Uluru to Safety Beach in Victoria). How can I do that in an Electric vehicle?
Before you start screaming “range anxiety” - let me say that I would love an EV. There just isn’t one out there yet that suits me.

Have your read about the refillable battery tech, that will have a 5000km range ? Energy tech is developing exponentially , EV are not going to always be dependant on Lithium .

"Refillable" battery tech could allow electric cars over 5000km range | RenewEconomy

Would you really not buy an EV just because you had to drive 24hours once ??

The most Ive ever driven in one go is Melbourne to Sydney but I take the train nowadays. When I'm touring I like to call it quits around 300km . EV will do me just fine.

[grey_ghost]

True, that particular trip was extreme. But I often drive long distances (Melbourne to Canberra and back, overnight). Melbourne to Sydney 30+ times.

Yearly I do outback trips (5,000km in 3 weeks). Which often require jerry cans (let’s face it, my 101 ain’t fuel efficient). But 400-700km between fuel stops is not uncommon

The above sounds extremely promising - I shall keep my ears open. Can’t wait.

[goingbush]

True, that particular trip was extreme. But I often drive long distances (Melbourne to Canberra and back, overnight). Melbourne to Sydney 30+ times.

Yearly I do outback trips (5,000km in 3 weeks). Which often require jerry cans (let’s face it, my 101 ain’t fuel efficient). But 400-700km between fuel stops is not uncommon

The above sounds extremely promising - I shall keep my ears open. Can’t wait.

Its not all bad, Looks like this EV you pointed me to has a couple of extra Jerry Cans on the roof rack

[manic]

You cant dismiss the current issue with - battery tech will get better in future. Right now EV = lithium large scale. Until your fix it all battery tech comes along, we are considering a huge shift to massive lithium pack vehicles.

The article imagines an inverted reality where every car now is an EV and compares to current ICE. If you are comparing to current ICE you have to compare to current EV. Lithium EVs. I hope EVs get better power source/storage real soon because imagining 1 billion lithium pack evs on the road is not good.

[goingbush]

You cant dismiss the current issue with - battery tech will get better in future. Right now EV = lithium large scale. Until your fix it all battery tech comes along, we are considering a huge shift to massive lithium pack vehicles.

The article imagines an inverted reality where every car now is an EV and compares to current ICE. If you are comparing to current ICE you have to compare to current EV. Lithium EVs. I hope EVs get better power source/storage real soon because imagining 1 billion lithium pack evs on the road is not good.

Im not dismissing current battery tech.

The article in question at the start of the post was Hypothetical , . The battery chemistry is irrelevant to the hypothesis.

At the beginning of the 20th century there were more Electric Cars than Petrol, lets just pretend we were in a parallel universe and Electric won over Petrol, they would have moved on from Lead Acid & most certainly would not be with Lithium at this point. Now What if we lived in that EV world & there was a movement to switch to Petrol.

Whatever the case 1 billion Lithium EV's is certainly preferable to 1 billion ICE cars with 1 billion Lead acid batteries.