Who raises kids like this?????

[stevo68]

Hey All,

Not often I have a beef but would be interested in other peoples view/ opinion as I can get hot under the collar if called for :wink: My 9 yr old daughter and her friend have been teased by a couple of boys at their school. One in particular has been called up before the principal as he seems to have an unhealthy obsession with my daughter and has said he would kill her at one stage if she didnt come and play with him.

Her mum ( we are divorced) kept the first incident and consequent meeting with school from me as she knew my reaction. She is passive and politically incorrect, Im not...................read sue their arse off and confront parents :wink: . On Friday she seemed upset and that is unusual for her as she is pretty tough emotionally and physically and apparently it has started again, though another lad has been roped in. These 2 charmers were calling her and her friend "lesbians" and would proceed to using their elbows to strike them as they walked past.

Running a company with over 50 staff, people no matter the age will "bump" heads, but there is a difference between an "incident" and a "campaign". This has apparently happened over a period of a couple of weeks, and when she questions the lad he just laughs off the fact that he has been bought up before the principal all ready.

When she told me I was fuming, as a parent if my son behaved like that he wouldnt be able to sit down like that for a week, secondly I take pride in how I raise my children as they are a reflection of myself and would be horrified if he as a boy treated a girl like that at school. Do other parents think the same, I sometimes wonder. Having gone to a private school in Parramatta and subsequent discipline etc it seems to be lacking in public schools. Its all very PC.

Having spoken to the school today, I have given them the options of they deal with it, or I do. If that means having a chin wag with the boys and their dads present so be it. If it were my son I;d just tell him to snot the biggest one, but daughters are different, though having seen her take on my son, she'd most likely do the same, but that is not the message I want to teach them.

I dont think it is an overeaction, as I explain to my children we all get teased at diffent times and to ignore it, but this is on a more sinister aspect and as much as Id like to take these little ****** out the back and give them a flogging as my ex tells me ( studying to be a lawyer) I would be up on assault, but a good scaring might suffice . Id be interested from any teachers, knowledge of what can/ cant be done in these circumstances. I know in my day and Im not that old, we would get the cane or some other physical punishment, but of course bloody bleeding hearts took that away. Anyway rant over, am being contacted today as to what will take place.

Regards

Stevo

P.S. Other thing that ****es me off is the excuse that some of these little barstards have A.D.D. funny didnt have it when I went to school, more a case of lack of discipline and a good smack on the butt

[Ace]

I agree with you steve, but (and i am biased) the public school system isnt to blame. You need to remember that in private schools parents pay considerable sums of money to send their students to school and as a result pay very close attention to what their child does. In the public school system some of the students get sent to school everyday so they dont bother their parents, the parents dont care what happens and no amount od detention or suspensions seems to work because to them its a holiday as the punishment isnt carried on at home.

If you are at all concerned about the situation my advice would be to inform the principal that you wish to inform the police of this continued harrassment, which is turning violent. A knock on the childs door by the local seargeant can work wonders. It can also be arranged for the Officer to come to school and meet with the student and his parents with the principal. The student that is harrassing your daughter is commiting a criminal offence (this may sound harsh for a school incident).

The school has set procedures they need to follow in order to deal with the student. The problem with bullies is that they are very good at what they do and rarely carry out these acts when being watched. If a teacher witnesses the incident then something can be done but your daughter needs to report every incident to the principal or another teacher they can trust and keep a written record of everything that happens. If a written record is kept then there is documented evidence of this happening over a set period of time. Provided the school is doing its job, i know the system works here as i deal with this sort of stuff everyday, then the boy that is harrassing your daughter will get whats coming to him. I understand how you feel and as a parent i would want to kick heas in if this was happening to Marcos but in order to stop this happening for good it will take a while.

Have your daughter tell you evrything that happens of say a 2 week Period, write this down each day and at the end of the two week period go to the school with the written eveidence (make sure your daughter tells you the names of any other kids who witnessed any of the incidents) and give it to the principal. This student by this stage should begin to go through a series of suspensions if it continues (this is documented and will follow him for the rest of his schooling life) first one day then 4 then a week the 20 days if this continues and he doesnt pull his head in the school is obliged to advise the parents of alternative places where their child can continue his education. This might seem like a long winded way of doing things but these are the guidelines teachers must follow (i agree it would be nice to take the kid behind a builing and give him a hiding and there have been kids i wouldnt mind doing that to but in the end the system works. We have only recently followed these procedures and had a student expelled.


If there is anything i can do for you Steve regarding documents etc that might help just PM me. If you deal with this by the book, even if it takes a bit longer this kid will suffer more as a result of it. Matt

[stevo68]

Thanks Ace, at least that gives me a bit of an idea of what the process is, my aim is more marked at the parents, but as it happens at school and as far as I am aware they have a duty of care, then they best be taking the appropriate action this time. She will be going to a private all girl school in the next 2 years, as I agree with the comment that public does get lumped with kids from sometimes disagreeable backgrounds and that some of the crap from people in the profession have to put up with is unbelievable. Hence why I take my hat off to people who teach as it cannot always be an easy job. Thanks again for the advice,

Regards

Stevo

[Knight]

Man - i am sorry to read such an upsetting story stevo68!!

Really - it is sad to read that there are kids going around doing things like this and NOT being properly disciplined!!!

If i could help i would (but i got nothing - sorry)

You have my thoughts (as your lovely daughter has too)

GOOD LUCK with dealing with this - and NO!!! - NO CHILD SHOULD HAVE TO PUT UP WITH THAT CRAP AT ALL!!!

(I cringe when my step-mum tells me some of the things my little half-brohters tell her sometimes - i just wonder who raises kids like this?!??! (or doesnt raise them?!)

your poor little angel!!!
She is VERY LUCKY that DAD (and Mum) has got her back all the way!!
She is blessed with great parents :wink: !!!!

Cheers
Knight :wink:

[stevo68]

Thanks Knight for your thoughts/comments, thankfully she has her fathers intestinal fortitude :wink: but even for her this is a bit much.

Regards

Stevo

[crump]

Ohh being bullied in the playground, what fond memories.I recall all thru school being a year younger than everyone else due to some deal back then if you were born in the first 2 months of the year you started school a year younger then everyone else, so due to my parents genetics and this I was the shortest kid in the class for 12 years, and had to put up with all the crap that went with that.Remember one particular guy in high school that used to bail me up in the locker area and give me a hiding with an octupus strap for fun every lunch hour. My parents contacted the school, who gave him a talking to which increased the attacks on me, they then contacted his parents who told my dad to naff off.So I just spent lunch time for 3 years in the library and its comparative safety.Trust me, you dont want your daughter ending up doing that!!
But it didnt turn out all that bad, by I was 18 I was 6'1" and 90kg with a strong sense of karma.
Bumped into that guy at a pub one night around then and remember asking him if he remembered me as his head kept making repeated contact with the tiles above the urinal.
I know this isnt much use Stevo68, but just to illustrate the point to nip it in the bud ASAP.Being bullied as a kid sux bigtime.

[stevo68]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>So I just spent lunch time for 3 years in the library and its comparative safety.[/b][/quote] Yeah I spent a bit of time being bullied and remember the old library well, on the upside it gave me a thicker skin and most of it was because of my surname which has "cock" in it. My figuring was it was better to be knocked because of a surname as opposed to other typical bullying ie race, the way you looked, overweight etc.

I also remember that being a day boy and interested in agriculture, joined that class with mainly boarders and blokes from the counrty. Boy did I cop it on an overnight excursion to Orange, Im talking food thrown at me, ostracised so was pretty lonely. Apparently as a day boy I didnt deserve to be there. This changed when in Cadets I topped the shooting as I was a crack shooter ( still have the target), so begrudgingly I earnt respect, plus for taking a ****load of crap. By the time I hit 6th form ( this went on for 3 yrs) it had turned to mucking around as opposed to bullying.

These are the only 2 *****, she is already class captain from being voted by her peers, and if I let her of the leash she would give either a hiding. She looks like a princess but is as tough as they come for her age. But if it persists, I would look at hitting the parents where it hurts, in the hip pocket

Regards

Stevo

[NOZ]

Originally posted by stevo68
most of it was because of my surname which has "c*ck" in it.

Not wanting to change the subject as this type of stuff gets up my nose.

I had a similar surname problem my last name is Biffin and that seemed to attract every bullie and they all wanted to go the knuckle.

I won most of my fights by 100m or so. :wink:


Regards

[Redback]

Originally posted by crump

But it didnt turn out all that bad, by I was 18 I was 6'1" and 90kg with a strong sense of karma.
Bumped into that guy at a pub one night around then and remember asking him if he remembered me as his head kept making repeated contact with the tiles above the urinal.
I know this isnt much use Stevo68, but just to illustrate the point to nip it in the bud ASAP.Being bullied as a kid sux bigtime.

Revenge is sooooo swweeeeet eh :roll:

Some kids are real mongrels Steveo, hopefully it's resolved quicky and your kids can enjoy school.

Baz.

[Jamo]

Hope it's sorts itself out soon, Stevo68.

It makes me wonder what home life is like for the offending kids!