Hypothetical conversation between Tesla and a facility manager

[BradC]

This may or may not have happened recently in Perth:

Tesla : Hello Mr facility manager. Nice shopping center you have here. We'd like to increase your footfall and green credentials by having 6 Tesla superchargers in your car park.
FM : I'm listening.
Tesla : We'll provide 6 superchargers, free of charge!
FM: Ok. So what do these "superchargers" entail.
Tesla: Well, they provide up to 250kw of charging to an EV per charger.
FM: Ok, so you want 1.5MW of capability from our switchboard?
Tesla: That's the idea.
FM: Ok, we can potentially work with that. Shall I have our electrical people work up a nominal design and quote for the infrastructure and required switchboard upgrades?
Tesla: Sure. No need to supply us with the quote though, that's your cost.
FM: ??
Tesla: We supply the chargers, you pay to install and run them.
FM: Excuse me?
Tesla: Think of the increased patronage and green credentials!
FM: So in the peak of summer, when we have 3 cars "supercharging" and it pushes us over our Western Power negotiated peak demand, who pays the extortionate penalties?
Tesla: You do. We'll supply you the chargers, you pay for all ongoings and outgoings. We will warrant them and repair them if they break inside the warranty period however.
FM: ?!?
FM: Well, the rest aside we can always use the BMS to limit the chargers to cap our peak demand.
Tesla: Oh no, part of the contract of supply is you'll make them available continuously. You can't put restrictions on their use.
FM: Thanks, don't call us, we'll call you.

Edit: You can't make this stuff up, although it's possible I might have. It is hypothetical after all.

[Homestar]

Yep, that’s exactly the conversations that will happen all around the country and what I said in the EV thread - where’s all the power coming from to run these things? At home is fine, getting the infrastructure into public areas is going to be very difficult beyond the odd one here and there.

[NavyDiver]

Payment is needed- Ampol is about to roll out and I guess when I need to use them I will pay ( it will be a lot less than filling up my D3) Have to add Shopping centres are happily adding FREE charging points rather quickly

Australian fuel giant confirms electric car charging network


Ampol will begin installing fast-charging bays across its national petrol station network.


https://www.drive.com.au/news/austra...rging-network/..

Look like Perth is well covered already? Electric Car Charging Stations Perth, WA | EV Charging Points
By the look of Plug share I could get my short range cheap EV to Perth It would be slow as the charge rates are slow plus at the moment. (My D3 was clearly quicker)

Off for a shot at bunny and a fox or two a family farm near Ballarat as soon as this lock down here is over. I will take the EV and it will cost ZIP - usually cost me $150ish. Note the farm ute is a 4wd. no way my MG ev is a paddock capable bunny carrier Question will be do I need to charge at the currently still freebie CCS charger at 61 Curtis St, Ballarat Central VIC 3350, Australia? Hope to drive their and home to use my solar to recharge.

[scarry]

Yep, that’s exactly the conversations that will happen all around the country and what I said in the EV thread - where’s all the power coming from to run these things? At home is fine, getting the infrastructure into public areas is going to be very difficult beyond the odd one here and there.

Maybe not,those living in blocks of units will have isssues,unless the building owner upgrades the power supply,probably at huge cost.

Residential houses maybe fine,until EV's become mainstream and everybody decides to charge their EV's on mains power at the same time,although solar,with or without batteries may suit some.

Energex is going to be extremely busy supplying and installing transformers.

As for where the power comes from,that is a huge issue.

Renewables just wont solve the problem.

[PhilipA]

Off for a shot at bunny and a fox or two a family farm near Ballarat as soon as this lock down here is over. I will take the EV and it will cost ZIP - usually cost me $150ish

Er so you paid twice what an equivalent ICE car would cost new to save say $1000 per year in fuel, and lose say 200 hours waiting for charging.

Note you are the one talking about saving money on fuel.

I always find this a very amusing argument particularly from $150K Tesla owners.
Regards PhilipA

[AK83]

Er so you paid twice what an equivalent ICE car would cost new to save say $1000 per year in fuel, and lose say 200 hours waiting for charging.

Note you are the one talking about saving money on fuel.

I always find this a very amusing argument particularly from $150K Tesla owners.
Regards PhilipA

Yeah ... I'm always amused by this rationale too.

It used to cost my dad about $10(or less) to go to Ballarat and back in his little 307HDi .. and the car itself cost him less than $4K.
I did it once and it averaged 3.7lt/100 on the highway section(Melton-Ballarat-Melton).

I'd love to see how much actual range an EV would get to Ballarat(there are steep hills on the way up) as opposed to their claimed range.

In saying that tho, I have been considering a very small EV type vehicle as an option for just getting to work and back ... like a Leaf or something like that.
But those small modern diesels do make a hell of a lot more sense over the long run.

[NavyDiver]

Er so you paid twice what an equivalent ICE car would cost new to save say $1000 per year in fuel, and lose say 200 hours waiting for charging.

Note you are the one talking about saving money on fuel.

I always find this a very amusing argument particularly from $150K Tesla owners.
Regards PhilipA

150k No thanks. It would need to be a FCEV before I'd consider that and only if hydrogen was available- Call me billy not silly

$1000 per year in fuel and how much more on servicing costs per year?? Factor in a timing belt, Front Control arms...... and the other bits I (we) have given to my D3(s or car of choice)

MG was sub 40k the ICE version is about 30K so yes the battery cost about 10k or $1000 per year ( assuming it last the 8 year warranty plus 2 years) No matter how I count it, I am saving much more then the cost the battery incurred. The time for a full charge is only a issue IF I tried a drive to WA. Fast chargers are very fast and getting faster. Not as fast as petrol, diesel or Hydrogen ( possibly ) the 240km range on my MG will not see me driving it to WA promise.

Noting my little 42kwh battery is sub an hour at the fast CCS types, under 4 hours from empty at home AC and overnight if I really had to use a wall plug. Did that just once. Not suggesting its perfect but arguments on the cost when a new Telsa mod 3 is about 70k are a bit stretched even for a Tesla I think
Not bagging people who can afford the fuel and maintenance on their choices. ICE will be with us for ten years or more. I would not be recommending Mechanic as a long term career choice. I think Ampols decision to add a revenue stream from EVs is smart. The free charge points can already be rather busy. The further from cities that will clearly be a bigger issue if events are on or during holiday periods. ( the multiple 3 phase charge points to Perth would allow a 12Kwh per hour charger to be used. ( Not doing that just it is possible and some have added that to enable them to drive around Australia in their EV.
The famous they say "Study Finds EV Cost Of Ownership Is 40% Lower Than ICE

The study is called ‘Comprehensive Total Cost of Ownership Quantification for Vehicles with Different Size Classes and Powertrains.’ Study Finds EV Cost Of Ownership Is 40% Lower Than ICE

"


EV's are not perfect clearly- Not suggesting that at all. What is clear is change is happening and required i.m.o..

[PhilipA]

the multiple 3 phase charge points to Perth would allow a 12Kwh per hour charger to be used. ( Not doing that just it is possible and some have added that to enable them to drive around Australia in their EV.

So what would the charge points be powered from across the Nullabor and elsewhere where there is no or inadequate power in the grid. Those generators at the roadhouses are pretty loud at night.
The answer "diesel"
Regards PhilipA

[NavyDiver]

So what would the charge points be powered from across the Nullabor and elsewhere where there is no or inadequate power in the grid. Those generators at the roadhouses are pretty loud at night.
The answer "diesel"
Regards PhilipA

Or solar?
"Off-Grid Renewable Energy Power System





Mundrabilla Roadhouse Power





Tropical Energy Solutions designed and project managed the installation of a 96kW PV solar system with 183kWh of energy storage. The PV solar modules are installed on a purpouse built ground mount system utilizing available space next to the main facilities.







"
Things of Interest | Mundrabilla Roadhouse | Nullarbor
When working at Shark bay I did see a late delivery of fuel stop almost everything once. It is possible is my point. The 96kw pv would happily feed a very very fast charge time taking about a nice meal stop?

[PhilipA]

So it can store and produce 183Kw for one hour.

A Tesla model 3 is 82KWh, so it could possible charge 2 Teslas if the day has been sunny and there has been no other demands.

But wait there is extensive refrigeration, air conditioning, the fuel pumps etc etc.
So possible one Tesla.
You reckon they would welcome EVs then?
Just hope when you arrive the day is or has been sunny.

Or do I hear a diesel generator starting up"?

Regards PhilipA