Off road/ touring - New Defender vs Grenadier

[Samblers]

Any other floating voters out there? Posting this in the ND forum rather than the IG one to be provocative...

Coming from the Old Defender (as i'm sure many on here are), logically one might choose between:

New Defender - approx $125k for D300 SE

Grenadier - approx $120k, including the following...

- 17" wheels w/ BFG A/T tyres
- bullbar (with winch, if desired)
- snorkel
- cloth interior
- aux battery
- ladder
- roof rack
- side steps or rock-slliders
- towing/ recovery
- checker plate
- LCT exempt

The equivalent New Defender would probably require another 25k(?) on top?

For me, I think the ND is/ would be a superb car. However, it's telling that LR only offer the D300 with minimum 20" wheels and no option for a cloth interior - choices purely of style over practicality, particularly for an Aus tourer. Additionally, the ND seems resistant to straightforward attempts at adding accessories - the threads on here attest to the cost/ complexities. Hacking at a $125k car makes me nervous, and i'm left with the feeling that LR are able to do it, but would prefer if you didn't.

The IG - yes unproven, and more expensive than initially promised - is compelling. Fully-formed, it seems.

Did I mention it's LCT-exempt?

[Tombie]

Cloth interior is a back step for a tourer.
Leather is much easier to keep clean!

As for the rest, having driven both, they’re chalk and cheese.

The Ineos is good, corrugations will still shake your teeth out though so same issue as all solid axles. If they had done airbagged solid axles it would have been better (and better load carrying with self levelling).

Touring involves comfort as well as capability - both show indications of not lacking in capability.

The Ineos split rear door squeaked a LOT. I doubt that they solved it fully - no other brand has managed to do so.

Really wanted to step into an Ineos, both wife and I (both have LRs) decided that’s a no go. Especially Generation 1.
Maybe in 5 years if they still are fully supported we will look again.

[Samblers]

Thanks Tombie, great insight... nothing beats lived experience (and I've only driven ND)

Opinions welcomed

[scarry]

The rear cargo area is also pretty small in the new Defender,with second row of seats up.

Nearly every one I see touring has heaps of gear piled on the roof or towing a trailer of some sort.

The 130 should address the issue,but it’s going to cost more.

Coming from a 110, usable room is going to be smaller.

Coming from a D4,the room,no proper bull bar or cargo barrier,and once again silly sized tyres crossed it off the list.

Grenadier wasn’t an option,none available and first of any model is usually not a great option.

Anyway,good luck with your decision.

[one_iota]

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Did I mention it's LCT-exempt?

Are you sure about that because it depends?

Luxury car tax rate and thresholds | Australian Taxation Office

https://www.ato.gov.au/Business/Luxu...uxury-car-tax/

[Samblers]

Are you sure about that because it depends?

Yes. Ineos are now advising customers.

[Samblers]

The rear cargo area is also pretty small in the new Defender,with second row of seats up.

Nearly every one I see touring has heaps of gear piled on the roof or towing a trailer of some sort.

The 130 should address the issue,but it’s going to cost more.

Coming from a 110, usable room is going to be smaller.

Coming from a D4,the room,no proper bull bar or cargo barrier,and once again silly sized tyres crossed it off the list.

Grenadier wasn’t an option,none available and first of any model is usually not a great option.

Anyway,good luck with your decision.

I wonder how IG compares with 110 in terms of cargo. Hard to tell, from website renders/ photos.

So did you decide to stick with 110/ D4? Consider IG in the future?

For me the time is soon coming when I want more comfort/ features than the 110 can offer.

[one_iota]

I'm not a floating voter!

I've made my choice based on the following rationale:

80% of my driving is on sealed roads to get to 15% of made unsealed roads to get to 5% of technically interesting tracks. At my age looking ahead 5 years the Grenadier would satisfy fewer my driving needs.

Only compared with my current Defender the new Defender is safer, cleaner, equally capable of doing what I want it to and something my partner will drive.

The Grenadier might also satisfy some of that but it doesn't actually exist on the road with creds yet, it doesn't have a Land Rover badge and as a design tragic it's a rip-off.

[one_iota]

Yes. Ineos are now advising customers.

I'd be seeing my tax advisor not listening to the sales rep.

[DiscoJeffster]

I'd be seeing my tax advisor not listening to the sales rep.

2023 Ineos Grenadier exempt from Luxury Car Tax