D3 / RR UK-lpg link.

[Laurie]

Good looking conversions "if only" we had a choice here !!


http://www.gascarco.com/gallery/Land...PG_conversions

other LR conversions can be seen in the photo gallery.

[WhiteD3]

Where do you put the spare tyre?

[Bushwanderer]

Where it should be - on a rear wheel carrier.

The underfloor arrangement for the spare wheel is unsuitable for much off-road work.

Best Wishes,

[PCH]

That LPG tank arrangement at the back makes your departure angle look pretty poor.

Chris

[johnc18]

White D3
You'd put it where they put the spare wheel in Falcon wagons and Territories, vertically in the luggage (boot) area.

Laurie
You do have a choice - if the Pommies can convert a Disco to LPG so can we.
Anything they can do, we can do better!

For any one who's getting worried about the price of petrol, and who'd like to convert to LPG, a bit of info-
The first LPG systems (which unfortunately are still around) were like the old carbys on petrol engines, and you are typically looking at using 30% more LPG than petrol. And a noticeable loss of power.
The second generation is a gas injection system (similar to a petrol injection system) and typically uses about 15% more LPG than petrol. Also with less power.
The third generation uses injected liquid LPG, and typically (so I believe) has only a 5% loss of power and fuel economy.
Why do I say "I believe?"
Well, the old "carby" systems have been around since Adam was a pup, and the gas injection systems have been around here for about two years.
The liquid injection system is only new here.
The pommies and europeans have had it for a few years, but because of patent disputes, ( It's an Australian invention-I'll give you the history if you're really interested ) it's only now coming to Australia.
A company is importing the gear and training selected installers,( eight at the moment), but they won't have supplies until July.
They will be concentrating on R&d/testing/certifying/and making kits initially for there obvious main market - Falcon and Holden.
After that other brands.
I have asked for Power and Torque curves for their system, but so far no luck, I'll try again.
At some time or other, I have come across a pommie company doing LPG on Range Rovers using the same gear. I'll chase it up.
If any of you guys out there are interested in converting to LPG, then liquid LPG is the way to go. However I would not consider doing it until they have have "bedded down" the major market (Falcon/Holden), and sorted out any problems there.
Then they can have alook at other brands. Kits should be available for british/ european brands, but they'll concentrate on Holden/Falcon first.
The old "carby" systems are about $2,500
The gas injection systems about $3,500-$4000
The liquid injection systems about $4,500
The Govt rebate is $2000
A patricular point to notice about this especially with Discos ( and their complex/tempermental electronics) is that the gas injection systems need another ECU to "talk" to the onboard computer.
The liquid injection doesn't need any more electronics. It just uses the on board engine managment system.
Cheers John
PS As you can see by the time of this message, it'd 1am.
As I sometimes do, I jump on the computer after coming home after I've been out drinkind with mates.
So if you think I babble to much, say so, and In future I'll go straight to bed!

[sclarke]

The prices you quote are PRE Grant rebate....

the older style LPG systems are still being quoted at $4500 for a Disco....

and the LPG injected are over $6k

My brother just had LPG injection put on his Shogun and its great... the power drop is nearly nothing and its instant.... no lag between Gas and LPG

[WhiteD3]

Where it should be - on a rear wheel carrier.,

Makes for an expensive conversion!

[johnc18]

Yes, your right, by all accounts the prices did rise when the subsidy came in.
But I think those prices are reasonably current, and I did say "about".
Also I will stand corrected in as much as I was giving the "about" prices for Fords and Holdens. They would possibly charge more for a Disco.

In regard to the Liquid Injection, the head engineer for the Aust distributors of the Liquid Injection system said that the Recommended Retail Price for their system would be $4,500.
A couple of the Ford guys have tried to book their cars with the selected installers for July and been given quotes up to $500 above that figure. I think they've complained to the distributor about being ripped off, so I would think that those installers will be told to charge the RRP.The distributor has said that they are only going to supply selected installers so that they can control things like quality etc, so that gives them a stick to wave.
So as I said above, better to give it six months for the dust to settle.
Cheers John

[Bushwanderer]

Makes for an expensive conversion!

Only if you are shifting the wheel in order to fit the LPG tank. I'll be shifting the wheel because I think that it's better. (& LR tell us to remove the spare wheel before going off-road).

Best Wishes,

[WhiteD3]

Does my bum look big in this?


The way my fuel bill is going I'm keener on this than what I was but this would still cramp my style I think...




But this was a UK site. Anyone know if there's D3 V6 conversion available in Oz?