Warning to drivers of cars converted to LPG

[RonMcGr]

Warning to drivers of cars converted to LPG - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

Posted Tue May 20, 2008 7:21am AEST

The gas safety regulator has banned a type of hose used in vehicles converted to run on autogas.

EnergySafety says the rubber lined hoses, used as fuel delivery lines, contain potentially harmful chemicals which can leach out and cause problems such as rough running, backfiring and poor starting.

Geoff Wood from EnergySafety says drivers using LPG systems in their cars only need their vehicles checked if they experience some of these problems.

"If they're experiencing problems with a vehicle that's been recently converted then they should get it checked out by the person who did the installation," he said.

Tags: automotive, road-transport , wa

[rangieman]

I wonder if that has something to do with Krudd

[PAT303]

That doesn't explain anything.What does recent mean?.What type of hose?. Pat

[RonMcGr]

That doesn't explain anything.What does recent mean?.What type of hose?. Pat

I don't know, Pat.
My XJ6 Jaguar is running very badly on LPG and perfect on petrol.
I suspect the rubber hoses may be the problem.
They were installed 10 years ago.

Ron

[RonMcGr]

A bit more on it!

Poppy's Garage • View topic - PROHIBITION NOTICE FLEXIBLE HOSES

PROHIBITION NOTICE FLEXIBLE HOSES
by poppy on Thu May 22, 2008 1:58 pm

Prohibition notice Flexible Liquid Fuel Hoses for LPG (Autogas) Powered Mobile Engines

Energy Safety, a divisionof the Department ofConsumer and Employment Protection (DOCEP), has investigated a number of complaints on the failure of converters (vaporisers/regulators) in Autogas systems installed in vehicles.

Some types of hoses used as fuel delivery lines are unsuitable for liquefied petroleum gas installation. The use of these hoses may cause malfunction or even serious failure of the converter, which is a key part of theliquified petroleum gas fuel system.

The rubber hoses of concern contain potentially harmful plasticisers which may leach frob the hose and cause serious problems.
safety regulator that bans the use of some rubber-lined hoses in autogas installations in vehicles that are exposed to Autogas in liquid form.

For details installers should refer to Energy Safety report "Investigation of the cause and consequences of contaminants in autogas systems-November 2007-Appendix N". This report is available from the Energy Safety website
EnergySafety - DOCEP or free of charge in hard copy form via the contact listed below. The web site also ncontains a copy of the Prohibition Notice and a brochure with more information on the subject.

A number of hoses to convey liquid Autogas are already on the market that meet the requirements of the prohibition notice.

For more information, industry organisations and autogas installers should contact;
David Robertson, Principal Engineer Gas Utilisation at Energy Safety WA phone 08 9422 5254 or drobertson@docep.wa.gov.au

[numpty]

I wonder if that has something to do with Krudd

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Don't you just love these Government Notices and reports?

Following proper scientific method the scientists are blinded from the brand/model of the hose they were testing and nowhere in the report do they reveal the code.

The Government follows up by saying that vehicles fitted with hoses that don't meet the new standard are prohibited from filling up at the bowser. But they never say which hose meets or does not meet the new standard.

Then they turn around an make it the responsibility of the installer to replace the hose at no cost to the user, because they fitted hoses that don't meet the standards that weren't in place at the time of installation.

Where is the responsibility of the manufacturing industry that supplied the hoses to LPG installers. It should be them who are paying for the retrofit of the hoses for manufacturing a substandard product not suitable for the intended use.

I still don't know if my car is affected, but do know that I have had a vaporiser failure - which could have been the result of the hose.

My installer is also a friend.

Diana

[PAT303]

Nice to see a long winded load of crap that probably cost $10,000 of tax payers money when all they needed to do is write a one line sentence giving the number or code for the effected hose. Pat

[DeeJay]

This is not a new problem.
The industry experienced this with tanker delivery hoses around 10 years ago.
If I were getting gas fitted the VERY first question I would ask is "how long has your company been fitting LPG conversions?
If the answer is 3-5 years or less, I'm outa there. A lot of issues with conversions is lack of experience or a newcomer cashing in on the boom and doing jobs on the cheap- and this is a good example.

[LandyAndy]

Interesting.
A few of the blokes at work have just changed the copper "pig tails" on their domestic LPG bottles to the braided type(the ones you use for household LPG appliances).They are LPG rated.The local Wesfarmers agent will not supply them as he says the rubber hose inside will rot and leak.
This may be a different case of they may not be suitable for exposure to the elements,OR it may me that they are natural gas only.
Was looking at doing mine,LPG bottles are a pain.There are 3 sizes in the 45kg bottle,they vary in height by 6 inches over the 3.
Any gas people on here that can verify if these flexible hoses are OK for outside use in the home environment???
Andrew