Fuel injection pump 1999 2.0 XEDi

[Junosi]

Hi all, does anyone have any experience with replacing the freeby's FIP ? Just looking on UK's ebay and seeing a whole lot that *look* the same with a slightly different part number. Kinda hoping the difference would be cosmetic...

From what I've read I think I've got a VP37 type pump with a part number of 0 460 404 973. Apparently this same pump was used on Rover 200/400/600's also.

On UK ebay there's no freeby FIP's at the moment but do seem to be a bunch from Range Rover, Opel or BMW's 2.5's that have an almost identical *looking* pump with a slightly different part number - usually 0 460 414 992

Anyone have any info on these ? I've googled til my fingers bled.

Cheers, Clark

[101RRS]

Hi all, does anyone have any experience with replacing the freeby's FIP ? Just looking on UK's ebay and seeing a whole lot that *look* the same with a slightly different part number. Kinda hoping the difference would be cosmetic...

From what I've read I think I've got a VP37 type pump with a part number of 0 460 404 973. Apparently this same pump was used on Rover 200/400/600's also.

On UK ebay there's no freeby FIP's at the moment but do seem to be a bunch from Range Rover, Opel or BMW's 2.5's that have an almost identical *looking* pump with a slightly different part number - usually 0 460 414 992

Anyone have any info on these ? I've googled til my fingers bled.

Cheers, Clark

I have just been through this - the VP37 pump is fitted to a number of cars BUT they are different. I nearly bought a "NOS" Rover one $100 in the UK but I noticed some differences. The main one is the rover one has a smooth lower casing - the Freelander one has reinforcing ribbing cast into the lower case - obviously for a reason.

Will other VP37s fit - I don't know - after being told by three landrover and diesel experts that I needed a new pump (min $1700 + fitting for a new one) I diagnosed it myself to be a sticking fuel shutoff valve - just needed removing and putting back in - no issues since.

Why do you think you need a new pump.

Thinking on this - assuming your ECU and pump is OK - the ECU tells the pump when to squirt via signals from the no1 injector and the crankshaft sensor - I would still be looking at these.

Garry

[Junosi]

All I've got to go on at the moment is Melb Land Rover saying 'no fuel pressure' is my problem. And the fact that I've got some fuel coming out of my injectors pipes when it turns over - just not very much - which to me indicates that the pump is getting the right signals to inject but lacks the pressure to perform. Could be off the mark there - but running out of ideas here.

I called MLR back earlier today to see if they had any other info about my car - so far they've said that they did put it on testbook and that it reported no fuel pressure. That's when they said about the the in-tank pump... So I called them and told them I have no in-tank pump and what else could their diagnosis mean - fuel pump ? ECU ? sensor ? Service manager was going to talk to the technician and call me back - awaiting their return call at the moment.

I wish my problem was a sticking shut-off valve !

My freebie is beaten up and not worth much (project car) - and I'd rather spend money on my disco Trying a replacement UK pump is possibly more economic ($300 ish) than repeated trips into the stealer.

The only test I've done on No.1 injector is to unplug the cable and observed that the engine light then comes on in the dash - plug it back in and the engine light goes away. Another assumption I guess is that its working correctly. I'll investigate a replacement No.1 injector and have a look around for a rep crankshaft sensor too.

Thanks again Garry - trawled lots of your posts so far reading about your own pump issues

[Junosi]

Can get a brand new crank sensor from Four Wheel Drives - Land Rovers New and Used Spare Parts for $132 - could be worth a shot

Clark

[101RRS]

I think you will waste your money - it is not worth replacing sensor by sensor - if the testbook indicated low fuel pressure then that is where you need to start.

You are getting fuel - but are you keeping pressure - maybe when you pump everything up there is a leak - some rubber perished or whatever. The diesel is electronic and you do need the computer to help diagnose it - mine went on the computer 3 times - each said a fuel shut-off issue and yet the mechanics said injection pump - it was on the basis that the ECU was saying fuel shut-off that I went and did it myself.

Just on a side note the injection pump can still pull fuel up if the system is air tight even with air in it - at my last service I replace my fuel filter and took a short cut and just pumped it up - car worked fine - but was occasionally difficult to start in the mornings - thinking glow plugs or even the fuel shutoff valve again - one time the car would not start at all until I came back later - then you posted your thread about the pump and looking at that I realised I did not bleed my system correctly - despite driving 3000km my fuel filter was only half full of fuel - I bled it correctly as I described to you and no issue - so even with air in my system the in vacuum created by the injection pump was able to suck fuel from the tank as my system is airtight.

So maybe - you might be able to pump up OK but are then loosing pressure.

Do you have a diesel mechanic nearby who has bosch diagnostic gear. The entire electronic fuel system on the XEDI is proprietary Bosch and they can do a deeper test than any landrover test stuff - they can interrogate the injection pump directly bypassing the the ECU - they should be able to tell you whether the pump is working within parameters irrespective of what the ECU is doing. You said you are near Ballarat - I am sure you will have a Bosch Diesel man there. Basically - your freelander does not need to go to a landrover place for fuel injection issues - parts can be much cheaper too eg landrover price for a fuel shut-off valve is around $700 - the genuine bosch part (the same as landrover use) is about $120 from Bosch.

Garry
PS - sorry for the ramble but I am home - bored - but too lazy to do anything.