7:30 Report - Banning 4WDs from Beaches

[vnx205]

It seems that tonight's 7:30 Report will have an item on the campaign to ban 4WDs from beaches.

[BJP98V8]

Tyre marks wash away......

And so will the campaign!!!!

Thats my forsight! (and 2 cents!)

[subasurf]

hahaha, the diggers would be rolling in their graves if a law like this was to come into affect

[bblaze]

I feel the need for a vw with floatation tyres coming on. We used these on beaches for years before we could afford a 4x4
cheers
blaze

[Slunnie]

Not so sure.

Especially after my comments here:
Overlander 4WD :: View topic - Go easy on the beach driving

Turned up in a report (Pg27) here
http://www.coast2coast.org.au/Presen...DFs/Carter.pdf

... which was presented in the 2008 Coast to Coast conference.


The organising committee:

Chair
Ms Patricia von Baumgarten Marine Adviser
South Australian Department for Environment and Heritage

Committee
Prof. Nick Harvey University of Adelaide
Beverley Clarke Flinders University
Linda McDowall Environmental Protection Authority
Peter Pfennig Environmental Protection Authority
Arron Broome ICAG Representative (South Australian Department for Environment and Heritage)
Tony Flaherty NRM, Adelaide
Alex Gaut Coast Care, South Australia
Linda Christensen University of Adelaide
Jenny Dorsett University of Adelaide

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Not so sure.

Especially after my comments here:
Overlander 4WD :: View topic - Go easy on the beach driving

Turned up in a report (Pg27) here
http://www.coast2coast.org.au/Presen...DFs/Carter.pdf

...

Thanks Slunny, interesting read that they do seem to have done an interesting survey, however they also presented some unsubstantiated claims in rather significant full page propaganda.

Take a look at page 26, we have a full page image of a waterbird and a heading asking the question about consequences of the reduction in beach invertebrates. That is followed by the statements/questions "fewer birds" "less fish". From what part of the research did these findings arise, were bird numbers studied? Were there any population studies of bony fish? The answer to those questions remains unanswered, or at least unstudied.

It may in fact be something completely different, as we know many fish in the intertidal zone as well as many wading birds are scavengers feeding of carrion of dead animals. The crushed-ations are merely another type of carrion and would be consumed by the scavengers. The same as carrion on the roads become food sources of other scavengers.

If we did study the avian and fish populations, the result may actualy be a change in the concentrations of the various populations of wading birds and fish rather than any change in the total numbers of birds and fish.

In research there are conclusions that can be drawn from the data collected and there are conclusions that can not be drawn from the data. So do not get confused by quasi-scientific survey findings until you know the methodology. Very little zoological research can be considered gold standard scientific experimentation, it is mostly survey based and often a little more accurate than the survey you are asked to undertake in the local supermarket.

Diana

[hook]

Look at what the oil spill at Brisbane has done to the beaches,
BUT they will not think about banning the Boats,
will they??????????????

[It'sNotWorthComplaining!]

As said earlier, " Tyre Marks Wash Away"
Cigarette butts , plastic drink bottles etc on the other hand.......

[BJP98V8]

Cigarette butts , plastic drink bottles etc on the other hand.......

True, very true. In saying that though, it is left to the individual to "keep Australia clean" there has been many campaigns but people still dont get the hint. I will always take my rubbish away with me, even if the bins provided in some populated areas are full. That is a little off point though.

If this campaign is recognised/passed or whatever it is they want to do, what will happen to the likes of Fraser Island????

[seano87]

Not so sure.

Especially after my comments here:
Overlander 4WD :: View topic - Go easy on the beach driving

Turned up in a report (Pg27) here
http://www.coast2coast.org.au/Presen...DFs/Carter.pdf

... which was presented in the 2008 Coast to Coast conference.


...

The report you have linked really really irks me. It contains some of the worst statistical information I've seen in a long time. It's that sort of propaganda designed to look good that people blindly accept and then spout themselves (...somewhat like Toyota advertisements come to think of it...)

The slide that really get me is #23...

1) their results show now true significant correlation (all the data would have to be within the lines)
2) the control is normalised to 0 crushed, 0 cars, in reality the number crushed at 0 cars is still going to be an actual value, whether it be 10 or 10,000 so a 20% increase could be 12 crushed (if it were 10 as the true control) or whatever...

I don't for one minute deny that people driving all over beaches is going to have some degree of impact, but so does every single action we do.

Seano