It's not me saying so, just the countless times people have shredded Land Rover drive trains when a Toyo wouldn't have. There is no denying that the drive trains on Landies are shocking.
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It's not me saying so, just the countless times people have shredded Land Rover drive trains when a Toyo wouldn't have. There is no denying that the drive trains on Landies are shocking.
My friend bought a 2000 Toyota 6 cylinder diesel Troopy because he wanted true reliability. Imagine his surprise when the mainshaft in the gearbox broke in moderate 4WDriving. He has since been warned not to try and increase the motor's output, because it isn't able to handle it. His chassis is thinner and weaker than in the old ones. There's little to distinguish cost cutting by Toyota by that in any other brand these days.
You mistake me. I would happily take both my Discos there without a doubt...my point is that Toya are (generally speaking) MORE reliable. I didnt say LR was UNRELIABLE. So how long is piece of string. For me at least LR is 80% of Toyo in terms of reliability and 200% more than Toyo in soul. Dont forget too that LR might well bring you through that particular crossed up creek exit that the reliable Toyo will not articulate through or might get stuck on with open diffs - if for eg we compare standard trucks and Disco II with its traction control.Quote:
Originally Posted by subasurf
So its a balancing act. How good is good enough - most people will chose the Toyo reliability over losing a little to LR in off road ability and a lot to LR is character (and there is a lot of sheep baarr baarr stuff happening there too and believing in the o what a feeling adds...) I am very happy to be counted in the minority of people.
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I wonder about the LR drivetrains are weak crap line...I have all original drive train in a just sub 300,000k V8 auto D1...and 160,000k in a D2 V8 Manual. I have mates with drive train issues (diff's, axles) in GU patrols and cruisers...so does that mean cause mine are find and I know of some jap truck with troubles that LR drive train is superior - of course not. Does it show that the LR drivetrains are weak crap...probably. A lot depends on what you do with it. There is no doubt that certain items from a patrol and certain items from a cruiser will be stronger than an LR item - but not all. Further LR are far lighter and if comparing say a 100 series 4.7V8 cruiser to a D2 V8 LR Disco the LR is considerably less powerful/torquey at revs and that plays a part too in how strong their drive trains need to be...
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If anyone shreds a diff on those 2 donkey tracks they need to seriously look into driving style.Quote:
Originally Posted by subasurf
I personally have driven some absolute goat tracks full of cross ups and wash aways using high powered, modified LR on stock diffs and axles.
I have yet to destroy a LR CV, Diff centre or Axle. And I'll drive anywhere :cool: and my vehicles always make far more power than the stock ones.
I have however, shredded a 80 series front diff, a FJ73 rear diff and 1 CV on an 80.
The FJ73 shredded its diff going up the Southern Expressway (a 3 lane arterial road) - Just ripped the pinion apart as it was dropped back to 4th gear.
The 80 series damage was driving Beachport to Robe. An easy drive at any time.
Mechanical sympathy is required no matter how 'beefed up' or strong a factory part is... Driving tidy lines, correct throttle for application, and a sensible approach will often preserve a vehicle.
I've seen verteran Victorian offroaders tell me not to drive 'Rocky track' in my non-locked, AT tyred (at the time) defender as I will "Definitely do damage" only to drive smoothly and cleanly to the top without incident.
They in their locked, simexed vehicles turned out after the first 'step'.
Its all about finess and lines....
(Runs out and touches the nearest wooden object I can, knowing I just jinxed myself)
To add to this also...Quote:
Originally Posted by ozscott
MOST Toyota/Nissans spend most of their lives running near stock sized tyres..... Almost all offroaded LRs seem to have upsized tyres fitted.
Camel vehicles ran ~235-85-16 and had hardly an issue pushing those skinny tall tyres through all sorts of terrain... I think theres a lesson in there for all of us when you think about it ;)
Couldnt agree more more - tall skinny tyres and keeping the weight down (something that is impossible on a lardy arse big jap' 4wd - and for that matter on a new D3/D4....:wasntme:).
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I think we all have to agree that LR's improvement over the last ten years has been matched to a degree by Tojo's decline. Pat
Said with style Pat...
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certainly not true. there are more sold to begin with (Toy/Nissan) go offroading and the most modded are the Nissan's and Toy's running much bigger rubber, simply becasue they can(driveline wise)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tombie2
235-85R16 is just the metric replacement for 750-16....nothing to crow about.
show me one nissan or Toy running rover diffs, axles or cvs?