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    Question Torque Convertor talk ...

    I have been thinking quite a bit lately about installing a higher rpm torque converter to help with the turbo lag issues below 2000rpm at normal driving. The boost seems to come on at around 2000rpm, which on a flat road under normal conditions is fine, I don't really care about slow take offs or aim for land speed records, it's more a pain in the neck when i am going up a hill at around 80km/h there is just nothing to be had power wise, until i have to back off a touch so it'll kick back to pick up more revs as it is sitting around 1800 or so and won't kick back (unless you throttle it harder, then it'll kick back and rev it's nut off for no gain) until the road speed is under 80.

    Long way around a short question, is a higher 2000rpm stall going to benefit the 300tdi ... Or am I taking the wrong approach with my thoughts and expecting too much? The Disco is grunty enough, don't get me wrong, it's not a drag car, just trying to eliminate some lag issues.


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    Not sure on its suitability for this sort of thing - remember that if you go down this road, the engine will always have to rev higher to get you off the mark - if acceleration only is what you are after, it may be ok, but you may find that your engine doing 2000rpm every time you take off gets a bit tiresome - and you fuel economy will suffer for this - especially around town. I had a similar converter in my dunny door years ago to get it to move off the line a bit quicker - which it did, but I only managed to live with it as a daily driver for a couple of months before I ripped it out and put a standard one back in.

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    TORQUE CONVERTOR TALK CONTINUED

    Thanks Disco Balls for raising the subject on Torgue Convertors.

    I have a D1 3.9 and I have often though about upgading the torque converter.

    How ever this is where we differ. I would like to have more lock up.
    So when I need to snatch another 4by I can pull them with out the auto tranny going into the stopped mode or when I am trying to drive over a big rock from a stand still. And without the smell of a hot clutch.

    I dont think it is so much as the converter is stuffed, because sitting at the traffic lights in D with one foot on the brake and the other pushing the gas peddle half way down she is definately fighting against the bakes and wants to go.

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    At risk of stating something obvious, shifting the transmission out of 'D' and into '3' will solve this problem with zero money spent. You wouldn't drive a manual up hill at 80km'hr in overdrive, no reason to do it in an auto. In 'D', you either have the engine labouring in overdrive or have your foot virtually flat on the accelerator to keep it kicked down. Pull it down into 3rd, drive comfortably up your hill, then knock it back into D as you top the crest.
    A high-stall convertor is not intended for this purpose, rather to allow fast starts off the line with engines that produce power at high RPM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by POD View Post
    At risk of stating something obvious, shifting the transmission out of 'D' and into '3' will solve this problem with zero money spent. You wouldn't drive a manual up hill at 80km'hr in overdrive, no reason to do it in an auto. In 'D', you either have the engine labouring in overdrive or have your foot virtually flat on the accelerator to keep it kicked down. Pull it down into 3rd, drive comfortably up your hill, then knock it back into D as you top the crest.
    A high-stall convertor is not intended for this purpose, rather to allow fast starts off the line with engines that produce power at high RPM.
    Once above 80, it's the gap between 4th locked and 3rd unlocked that is too great (ie labouring or overrevving).

    The solution is a 3rd gear lock up. About $700 work.

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    Would adjusting the boost compensator on your fuel pump help fill the low rpm hole?

    More fuel = more boost = more go sooner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by B92 8NW View Post
    Once above 80, it's the gap between 4th locked and 3rd unlocked that is too great (ie labouring or overrevving).
    That is exactly it mate! The disco just revs it's nut off kicking back into 3rd and labours when its .... Ahh crap, I'll just change my driving style!!


    Might look into the 3rd gear lock up idea a bit more, in any other case, what other benefits are to be had by doing the mod? I guess it'd be more useful when towing?


    I could always twin turbo it!

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    save the money...

    give the boost aneroid a tweak (assuming it hasnt already had it)

    tighten the throttle position sensor cable so the box thinks its getting a touch more throttle than it thinks and see what that does for you.
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    ECU upgrade all the way. Will solve your issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by catch-22 View Post
    ECU upgrade all the way. Will solve your issue.
    ...Not for a 300 Tdi Caine...

    The idea of a high stall to remove lag is a good idea, in principle, but it will increase trans temps when working it at stop start and off rad driving, and will annoy the heck out of you eventually. I would leave the TC well alone, and fit a VNT turbo to it. I have just done one in a D1 auto, (Admittedly it has a low stall converter, 1.4:1 Defender high range, 32" tyres and twin tru tracks) but it has transformed the vehicle. Almost no lag and can break traction WITH the front tru trac on bitumen on a corner, from standstill. This vehicle will be even more wild with the standard TC refitted. It also has a 3rd gear lock up mod which works really well.

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