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    3.9 no Power. Please help

    Here is problem that we have been chasing for some time which we are desperate to solve, we really need your help. Please

    1990 3.9 Range Rover. Fine at low speed in that if you need just light throttle its ok-ish. If you give it the Jandle then it's like it gets to 50% then no more. Might as well just put your foot half down. When your floor it it will kick down as normal but feels like it was manually held in gear and only half gassed. It is not heavy on fuel - well it's a v8 but you know what I mean, only typically horrendous. It runs perfectly smooth and always starts well. Hot, cold, whatever it's as well behaves as you would expect, other than described.

    TPS, checked and replaced anyway
    ECU, checked with known good unit.
    Timing, new dizzy Lucas, no change, swapped for Mallory, no change, played with timing at length. all good and set a 6degrees BTC
    New cam, some high performance job, no change, another new cam standard grind, no change. timing double triple checked.
    Car weighed and wheels and tyres put on another vehicle and weighted to same, Other car thrashed it. small tyres on it a still a sack.
    Compressions good and even. Burns no oil. Runs and idles smoothly.
    Air filter and system has no restrictions.
    Throttle has full travel at throttle body and kick down cable works.
    Harness to ecu checked.
    Fuel flow checked at injectors


    Any ideas ......please!

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    Have you had the exhaust manifolds off? Sometimes people put the gaskets on upside down and half block the exhaust ports.

    What plugs are you running?

    Try adding an O2 sensor and a Jaycar mixture readout kit to see if it is too lean/rich.

    Try running 10 degrees BTDC. I haven'tseen a petrol 3.9 with problems at 10.

    lift your plenum cover and look for loose trumpets.

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    I remember reading on the pistonheads site a similar problem to this though it appears you have already checked it. the owner said he had tested the tps and it was fine and had full travel at the throttle body but that was when he was pulling on the cable in the engine bay. When the accelerator pedal was fully depressed and he checked the tps reading on the back of the ecu it wasn’t giving the wot reading even though the pedal was to the floor. Adjusted the cable properly and he had a new car with a top end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pibby View Post
    I remember reading on the pistonheads site a similar problem to this though it appears you have already checked it. the owner said he had tested the tps and it was fine and had full travel at the throttle body but that was when he was pulling on the cable in the engine bay. When the accelerator pedal was fully depressed and he checked the tps reading on the back of the ecu it wasn’t giving the wot reading even though the pedal was to the floor. Adjusted the cable properly and he had a new car with a top end.
    Yes. something like this is my theory as well, I will check it out as your guy did, cheers.

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    I have posted how to adjust MAF and TPS in the files section.
    Search for uploads under my name and you should come across it.
    Would put the link up but I'm on my iPhone using tapatalk so can't access files...

    It may well be a MAF issue. If the TPS is at fault, it will feel like a big miss or temporary stall. Any breaks in the tracks will effectively cut throttle signal to the ECU so only getting half throttle and it holding there would eliminate the TPS.

    Cheers

    Andrew


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    Hi all, its a long time since I was playing with V-8 's , I suppose you have changed the fuel filter on rear of chassis, UK cars dont get these changed as the steel unions rust into steel filter and shear pipes when undone, ( pipes were no longer available )
    as the filter is very fine, it can block restricting fuel volume,
    The other thing is to take off the cat front pipes, and fit the earlier non cat front pipes, but you have to change the tune resistor, pluged into the loom nr ecu.
    Anthony

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    In addition to all the other ideas...sounds characteristic of a vacuum leak. Every time I've done a work around the driver's side of the motor on my 90 3.9 I've knocked the vacuum pipe out of the valve on the charcoal canister - not much securing it. Still idles and runs smooth, almost no hissing, but flat throttle response.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TOUTERRAIN View Post
    , UK cars dont get these changed as the steel unions rust into steel filter and shear pipes when undone, ( pipes were no longer available )

    The other thing is to take off the cat front pipes, and fit the earlier non cat front pipes, but you have to change the tune resistor, pluged into the loom nr ecu.
    Anthony
    Luckily rust is not a huge issue in Australia. Australian spec vehicles didn't get cat pipes either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TOUTERRAIN View Post
    Hi all, its a long time since I was playing with V-8 's , I suppose you have changed the fuel filter on rear of chassis, UK cars dont get these changed as the steel unions rust into steel filter and shear pipes when undone, ( pipes were no longer available )
    as the filter is very fine, it can block restricting fuel volume,
    The other thing is to take off the cat front pipes, and fit the earlier non cat front pipes, but you have to change the tune resistor, pluged into the loom nr ecu.
    Anthony
    thanks, fuel filter done regularly and no cats and straight through muffler.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aRRon View Post
    In addition to all the other ideas...sounds characteristic of a vacuum leak. Every time I've done a work around the driver's side of the motor on my 90 3.9 I've knocked the vacuum pipe out of the valve on the charcoal canister - not much securing it. Still idles and runs smooth, almost no hissing, but flat throttle response.
    I will check this out, sounds promising, thanks.

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