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    Tyres out of round

    Hi All

    Just back from 5000km tour of Qld on mainly bituman or good graded dirt road and have had 3 tyres go out of round. All are rear tyres and were being run at 42psi with day time temps ranging from 15-25c. Back of car was fairly loaded with fridge etc and we were towing a camper trailer at about 750kg & max 80kg ball weight. Tyres are/were Cooper Discoverer A/T and are about 6 years old.

    Any suggestions for why this has happened and is there anything I can do to prevent a recurrence? I take it I'm up for some new tyres now. I've towed similiar distance last year with same tyres and no probs

    Thanks

    Cameron
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    age would be your biggest enemy.....

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    I agree with Sprint that age may be a problem.

    However it could be due to a few things. I use the 4psi rule in my bus and it proved invaluable on a trip around oz (no punctures in 45,000kms around oz with coopers!). Essentially your perfect tyre pressure is 4psi higher at proper operating temperature. For example on rough gravel roads say, let your tyres down to 26 front and 32 rear. Drive for 5 minutes. Re check pressures. If the front is at 30psi and the back 36pse (ie 4psi higher), you are at the perfect pressure. This theory applies in every application. It can take a bit to work out all pressures for all conditions but I worked out soft sand, sand, slow gravel, fast gravel and road psi's. Unfortunately they will differ for each vehicle and the load that you carry.

    Another reason could be tyre injury. A mate of mine runs his tyres at extremely high psi to avoid punctures on sharp rocky roads. He then had two tyres explode within 20 kms of each other at highways speeds later on. My theory was that with such high pressures in the tyres the steel belts were dented or deformed permanantly (rather than deforming and then reforming if they had of been at a lower pressure) and then when heated up to operating temperature later on, the tyres developed a weak spot at the point of injury and exploded. Your tyres may have gone out of round due to tyre injury perhaps

    Or your tyres could be part of the dreaded cooper batch from around 10 years ago that start to de-laminate. There are many threads on this topic on many forums . I for one, have never had a problem with cooper tyres.

    Also, if your wheels are out of balance (are they steel wheels?) they can cause tyres to become out of round. It is essential with heavy tyres like coopers to get them balanced and rotated every 10,000 kms. Same applies with other heavy brands too such as bf's etc.
    Last edited by gusthedog; 9th July 2012 at 09:45 AM. Reason: More info

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    Quote Originally Posted by gusthedog View Post
    A mate of mine runs his tyres at extremely high psi to avoid punctures on sharp rocky roads. He then had two tyres explode within 20 kms of each other at highways speeds later on.
    According to the Tyre Pressure Guide written by the bloke at the Pink Roadhouse at Oodnadatta, tyre pressures (and speed) should be lower on rocky roads, not higher.

    Pink Roadhouse - Oodnadatta Track (South Australia)

    He insists that high pressures are responsible for the majority of failures.

    There are other 4WD sites that agree with him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sprint View Post
    age would be your biggest enemy.....
    Not at 6 years. I've bought tyres new that were 5.

    How does the 42psi used compare to the max inflation pressure of those tyres?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vnx205 View Post
    According to the Tyre Pressure Guide written by the bloke at the Pink Roadhouse at Oodnadatta, tyre pressures (and speed) should be lower on rocky roads, not higher.

    Pink Roadhouse - Oodnadatta Track (South Australia)

    He insists that high pressures are responsible for the majority of failures.

    There are other 4WD sites that agree with him.
    Agree obsolutely vnx205. This mate of mine disagrees though and sometimes you can give people all the info in the world and they'll still make whatever decision they like regardless

    Cheers,

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    Most likely it is delamination. You probably have air pockets in the tyres, and this air expands as the tyre is heated.
    Lucky they didn't explode. You will be able to tell from the inside of the tyre after it is stripped of the rim.

    I have had 3 Cooper ST delaminate, but after the first exploded I knew what to look for.

    HTH

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