Reverse Stall Recovery Question plus ETC problem.

I am an instructor and have trained many people in various Discos. The low range is not a problem, as a simple calcuation of the rear crawl ratio will indicate. It's better than any Nissan for starters.

Now the Disco II does have a problem, and that's called lack of a centre diff. If you try and overdrive the brakes, or touch them in any way it is possible to lock up the uphill set of wheels. This is not good, and is not possible with the centre diff locked as the the front and rear axles must rotate. It is for this reason we teach hill descents using HDC only in Disco IIs with no CDL.

You can however safely stall/stop in a Disco II. The only vehicle you can't do this in is something like certain Jeep models which need a fuse pulled before you can start them with the clutch up.

The instructor you had should be shot. Too high gearing indeed, I never heard of such twaddle!!!

Thanks for the further feedback. Even though there are some mild differences on opinion, all your comments have been consistent with each other, and with all the symptoms I had, and also very educational to a raw newbie.

It is an auto so I didn't actually have to stall it, but they called it that anyway. It was the reversing that I sucked at with the brakes locking all the time. I have decided that even though the ETC is very good I am still going to get the centre diff activated cause I do not want to depend on HDC working, especially given I have had it malfunction already (get a new ABS modulator tomorrow so hopefully it won't happen again)

plus find somewhere to practice, practice, practice.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Try pulling the ETC fuse under the bonnet - you will get 3 lights on the dash.. ABS, ETC and HDC will no longer work.[/b][/quote]

Exactly the symptoms I had and by use of two foot technique could drive anyway. Wasn't easy but I went everywhere the Toyos/Nissans went, often still smoother. So I agree, the electronics worked great and when they broke, the car still went great (once I was taught how which is exactly why you do the training)


Cheers
Paul

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Originally posted by DiscoStew
Thanks for the further feedback. Even though there are some mild differences on opinion, all your comments have been consistent with each other, and with all the symptoms I had, and also very educational to a raw newbie.

It is an auto so I didn't actually have to stall it, but they called it that anyway. It was the reversing that I sucked at with the brakes locking all the time. I have decided that even though the ETC is very good I am still going to get the centre diff activated cause I do not want to depend on HDC working, especially given I have had it malfunction already (get a new ABS modulator tomorrow so hopefully it won't happen again)

plus find somewhere to practice, practice, practice.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Try pulling the ETC fuse under the bonnet - you will get 3 lights on the dash.. ABS, ETC and HDC will no longer work.

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Exactly the symptoms I had and by use of two foot technique could drive anyway. Wasn't easy but I went everywhere the Toyos/Nissans went, often still smoother. So I agree, the electronics worked great and when they broke, the car still went great (once I was taught how which is exactly why you do the training)


Cheers
Paul[/b][/quote]

DS, we've changed the name of the "Stall Stop" to "Emergency Stop" and technique for manuals is "Stall Stop". This is precisely because it made no sense to call the thing a stall stop when it clearly wasn't.

If you do not have a CDL in your D2 then do not overdrive the brakes at all, for reasons I explained above. HDC should be used instead. ETC will do a much better job of torque transfer than your feet ever could.

It was not your fault the wheels locked (the uphill wheels, right?) it is LR's fault for not including a CDL in the first place.

Get a CDL ASAP.

As per RMP.

Michael.

Hi Discostew

Can you PM me the details of the course you did and how much it was ?

If you recommend it that is !

I am in Brisbane and could use such training.

Cheers

Dave