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    Now that my 130 is doing this I suppose I;d better fix it too eh
    It's not broken. It's "Carbon Neutral".


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    I thought I would add some info to this thread. All my research revealed this was the best thread on this subject. Kram had the best info that helped me.

    Like all Defender 130's mine was no different with the rattly back windows. I also had two broken catches as well that needed replacing.

    I ordered 4 metres of Flocked Bailey channel part number 350.360 from Spectrum Rubber. It cost about $50 including shipping and took three days to get.



    The rubber is U shaped with a rubber back and felt inside.




    The first step was to remove the old felt. Actually the first step was to remove the rear kids seat first so I could get to the window. I have read that other people used a Stanley knife to remove the old felt, where I just used a flat bladed screwdriver and removed the felt (Potato peelings). A lot of the felt had already broken down. I am surprised the rear windows haven't smashed as they rattled that much. I did this whole job sitting in the back seat. Here is the result of 10 minutes work pulling the rubbish out.



    This felt is absolute rubbish and it is disappointing that Landrover hasn't improved this as there are clearly better options available.

    Old felt


    The next thing I did was remove the stoppers a few inches. This will allow the windows to open up further and give you more room to work. I did this for both windows top and bottom.



    Now for the fun bit. I started this project with the 10 minute time slot in mind that others had done. However the whole project took about 2 hours **. I reckon I could do it again in about an hour. I have read that some people left gaps in the bailey channel where the window slides over it. I however did not. I was able to run the bailey channel all the way around from the stoppers to the stoppers (and actually a bit further as the stoppers will press in over the Bailey Channel). Is it necessary? Probably not but it is possible. I started on the inner channel. (The inner Channel being closest to inside of the cab). After clearing the garage of kids I was able to curse and swear all I liked. I found the Channel wanted to flip on its side if I wasn't careful in putting it in. I found the best way was to try and keep both sides of the Channel even when pressing it in and if one side got too far in front it would then want to turn inside the Window channel effectively placing the Bailey Channel on its side. CRC, Inox or similar is your best friend. With the window fully opened I started to place the lubed bailey channel in and then would slide the window back on to it and using a screwdriver slide the window the other way whilst pushing the Bailey channel with the window. Eventually it will come out the other side and I used long nose pliers to get some purchase on it and pull it through with some excess (not too much) so I could cut off the Damaged bit that the pliers has done.
    Using this method I completed the first window in about an hour which included showing the kids a new ant nest I found the other day. Being the responsible parent I am I thought I should show them this nest which houses the mother of all ants so they don't go near it. These ants are huge sitting around just over an inch long. When I found then nest there was one ant that came out to say hello. I got a stick and started stirring the nest up to show my girls. This resulted in about 100 angry ants from hell with laser beams coming to attack. In all the excitement I got bitten on the back of the thumb which taught the girls two things...... Don't **** with ants that you could throw a saddle on and ride and I am fairly certain they may of possibly learnt some new choice words. I then spent a bit of time entertaining myself by boiling the kettle and seeking justice. **Actually if I take the distractions out the scenario maybe it did only take 30 minutes to the first window. The second window took about 30 minutes now I had some knowledge and run out of distractions.


    The Result is what you would expect brand new and is probably one of the cheapest and best fixes you could do. To do the whole 2 windows took about 3700mm (or 370 Cm in dress making terms) so there was not much left of the 4000mm I started with.
    I ordered the catches
    MWC7625 is the left hand side
    MWC7648 is the right hand side

    I assume that the Right side is the Drivers side.

    This is what I got.



    This picture is on the bonnet looking towards the windscreen. The old catches are above. It appears that I have two Left hand side catches.

    When taking the old ones off you need some muscle to slide the whole black catch down. This will reveal the Screws and plate. Whilst The catches were broken they come with new plates screws and Gaskets so it is a good idea to replace the lot. Now you will need a 3/8 socket to undo the rear seat bolts so you can retrieve the screw when the fall behind the seat. Do Not reinstall these bolts until you have finished dropping the screws behind the seat. If you think this will happen only once than you are wrong!.



    The silver plates that the caches slide onto have an indent in the "track" this goes to the bottom and then once installed the black catch slides up into position. Even with all the Manly strength that I posses I needed to get a block of wood and a hammer to tap it into its final position.

    So I still can't quiet cross this off my list as I am waiting for a catch for one side however in the mean time there is no possibility that the windows will rattle or even rattle open without the catch. I guess a small well trained animal could slide the uncatched window open and break into the car and steal the damp carpet in the front (That is right, I have carpet in the front ohh la la) but the reality is they could just open the door and steal it.

    On a scale of 1 -10 this job probably sits around 4. In that it is fairly easy but frustrating oh my god it was frustrating! But well worth doing and the rewards are that the Noise should decrease by around 70dB (That glass is loud! especially over corrugations), the windows won't just open up by themselves even when it is raining or snowing and this will result in a drier cabin when you forget to close the windows at your destination. Animals should stop nesting in the cabin also. The kids should stop complaining about it as well. There are so many benefits! It isn't really hard to do but married men will find it easier as they have been taught patience!

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    Bloody awesome mate ile get around to doing mine one day I guess

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    I purchased 4m of 64-143 Bailey Chanel from rubberonline.com.au at $7.35 per metre plus delivery. Looks the same, will install in the next few weeks.

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    Update-Defender rear window rattles gone

    Good write up. I did mine a couple of years back with the same channel from Spectrum. I initially tried to get it through Clark Rubber but after 2 months of stuffing around with "yes we can get it", then "no we can't" I gave up and went to Spectrum directly. Even they had to order in a new roll as they were out of stock.

    It's a fiddly ***** of a job, but definitely worth it.
    No rattles since.

    Blakey - would be great if you can let us know how you get on with your channel to confirm it definitely fits.

    Steve
    1985 County - Isuzu 4bd1 with HX30W turbo, LT95, 255/85-16 KM2's
    1988 120 with rust and potential
    1999 300tdi 130 single cab - "stock as bro"
    2003 D2a Td5 - the boss's daily drive

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    spectrum Rubber Now called Old Auto Rubber Australia ?

    Looks like spectrum Rubber no longer exist. A quick search reveals that they could be called Old Auto Rubber Australia now. Old Auto Rubber
    They are located in Penrith and can be reached on 02 4721 1414 or sales@oldautorubber.com Open Mon to Friday 7.30 to 3.30 and Saturdays 8am till 12pm.


    http://www.oldautorubber.com/wp-cont...ed-Page-67.pdf Page 33 shows the 350.360

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