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23rd March 2006, 11:45 PM
#1
black sooty plugs?
Hi All
My RR starts great, idles great and runs quite happily just after I have cleaned the plugs.
But I get black sooty deposits, very thick within minutes.
Still it will run all day reasonably but it’s costing a fortune to run.
I assumed from this the mixture is too rich, so I tried turning the mix as rich as it would go, (bear with me here) it ran worse and within minutes same black plugs. As I expected.
I turned the mix lean about eight or nine full turns, (and variations in between) it started and ran much better but still black plugs within minutes.
Do I assume the carby is buggered?
Previously I have changed plugs, leads, dizzy cap & coil, it has a electronic ignition unit so no points. The carby is auto-choke converted to manual.
As a recon carby is going to cost me quite a few $$$ I wanted to throw this open to opinions first. I know I could get another used carby but there is no guarantee it will be any better than mine.
Thanks
Steve
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24th March 2006, 07:47 AM
#2
Seeing you talk of "carby" and not "carbies" , I assume you have some bogus setup like a Holley,or Rochester. The standard strombergs are very reliable and only go rich if very very worn.
So no one who is expert in Rovers can help. You have to find someone who knows about Holleys or whatever.
This should not be too hard. Go to a speed shop or speedboat shop and ask around.
Regards Philip A
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24th March 2006, 08:02 AM
#3
<span style="color:blue">have you checked the float level is correct....?</span>
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24th March 2006, 08:40 AM
#4
Sorry I should have said carbys, not carby. my mistake they are strombergs, (175 cd-2)
I'm not sure how to check the float level I'll have a look in the manual tonight.
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24th March 2006, 08:51 AM
#5
<span style="color:blue">have they got enough oil in the dampers...?</span>
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24th March 2006, 09:21 AM
#6
OK, we have established you have CD175s.
When you say you adjusted the mixture, where did you adjust it???
On most OZ carbs, the mixture can only be adjusted with a special tool which goes down the dashpot. Did you do this?
Very early cars have the adjustment under the float bowl, by raising or lowering the main jet. In any case , 8 turns is far too much and good carbs would not run at extremes like that.
I am concerned about the "auto choke converted to manual". Strombergs do not have a choke they have an enrichening circuit on one carby which also feeds the second/. I am wondering how it was converted to manual, with parts from an earlier carb? This could be the problem.
The main reasons for rich running are
1 float level too high/needle and seat worn out
2 main jet and needle so worn that cannot get close enough for lean mixture.
3 Maybe diaphragms broken on one or more carbs. have you checked these? But the car would hardly run.
Really there is not much else that can go wrong!
regards Philip A
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24th March 2006, 10:21 AM
#7
Originally posted by PhilipA
On most OZ carbs, the mixture can only be adjusted with a special tool which goes down the dashpot.
[b][size=18]<span style="color:blue">which should look something like this......</span>
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24th March 2006, 10:37 AM
#8
[quote=DEFENDERZOOK]<span style="color:blue">have they got enough oil in the dampers...?</span>
re: oil, Yes, about 10-15mm from the top.
PhilipA wrote:
On most OZ carbs, the mixture can only be adjusted with a special tool which goes down the dashpot.
I bought one of those "special tools" eg : expensive allen key.
to adjust the mix through the neck of the dashpot.
8 turns is far too much and good carbs would not run at extremes like that.
I guessed it would be I tried settings in between but I wanted to try the extremes to see if it would make any difference, it ran a bit better the leaner but that was it, still sooty, (no, not the puppet).
"auto choke converted to manual".
Not knowing a lot about these carbs I'm not sure, I took it to a mechanic once a while ago and he said " Someone has converted these to a manual choke. So sorry I couldn't really say.
Maybe diaphragms broken
Two new diaphragms
1 float level too high/needle and seat worn out
2 main jet and needle so worn that cannot get close enough for lean mixture.
Option 1 & 2 is worth checking
Looks like I'll be thumbing through the manuals over the weekend.
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24th March 2006, 10:47 AM
#9
<span style="color:blue">if you undo the four screws....the top half should come off....
then you can check the diaphragm......</span>
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24th March 2006, 11:05 AM
#10
[quote="downundersteve"]
Maybe diaphragms broken
Two new diaphragms
quote]
Sorry about that I really must be more acurate, I meant to say
Maybe diaphragms broken = I put two new ones in
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