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    Helicoil in V8 block

    My V8 is in dock, primarily to have a set of ARP studs installed, as I have had two head gasket failures and now find out that the idiot that worked on it both times used the old stretch bolts.

    The new shop called me this morning concerned about having discovered at least half of the block threads have had Helicoils installed. I have the correct thread chaser tap from ARP, but he is not convinced the ARP studs will hold, despite having the correct kit.

    Many years since I had anything to do with using Helicoils and I also am a bit concerned. So, if one of the V8 gurus could offer an opinion I would very much appreciate it. Thanks in advance. Cheers

    (its a 3.9 in a Discovery 1)

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    Ok - I have been through this and I share your mechs concern on helicoils.

    The first thing is that standard helicoils are too short and the number of threads interacting with the aluminium block is no where near the number that there is in an undamaged interface - you can get longer ones but i dont trust them.

    When my block was being worked on the engine builder put in a helicoil and when I was assembling my engine that one stud just pulled out at about 2/3rds of the required torque.

    I called the mobile thread repair guy and he recommended the way threads were repaired before helicoils, that is with a threaded insert. A lump of solid metal with a thread on the outside and the required thread on the inside - is not a "spring" like helicoils. I have used threaded inserts previously and they have always worked - and it worked on my engine where the helicoil failed - noting the threaded insert was long enough to be inserted all the way down so all stud threads matched the insert and likewise the outside threads ran the full depth of the hole in the block.

    The downside of the threaded insert is they require a bit of metal around the hole for them to bite into where a helicoil does not require all that much metal to be drilled out.

    Some will say that helicoils are strong enough but in my experience on a few engines they are a bit hit and miss where threaded inserts work well as long as there is a bit of meat around the hole as a larger diameter hole than is required for a helicoil is required.

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    so long as the helicoil is installed properly and the ally in the block is still sound go for it. You would get away with Dx2 helicoils but I would reccomend going to at least Dx3 or Dx4.

    helicoil will, given enough notice, manufacture helicoils in any length you like.

    Throw a borescope down and if the helicoils have wedged over, crept, cracked or jumped thread wind them out and inspect the seating thread.

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    the stretch bolts in the 3.9 like the tdi can be reused a couple of times, prudence calls that you replace them in a workshop and save the reuses for the field.
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