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    GVM, so how does this work down under anyway?

    I have read and seen quite a bit about GVM, it's ups and downs and of course there is the law.

    My original plan was to take my P38 range rover around the globe, probably starting in oz. I like the country a lot and love to see it so it is #1 on the bucket list. Also, since the import of a vehicle is damn hard (needs to be extremely clean) cleaning it here to the bone and then ship it in a container down under would be the easiest way to do things, all other countries don't really give a damn

    I wanted to take a P38 since they look awesome imho, I like the ride and because not many people choose this type of vehicle. Over the past 5 years or so I have been building up my car as best as I can taking most of the weak points out of the equation. After installing:

    • front and rear bar (both terrafirma)
    • bash plates
    • diff protectors
    • HD half shafts front and read
    • HD prop shafts
    • diff lockers
    • winch
    • roofrack
    • hard range lift kit
    • larger wheels

    and an assortment of new parts that weigh the same like new airbags, shocks, rebuild engine from the ground up, etc. etc. I recently had the opportunity to drive my beauty up on the weighbridge at a mates job and with a full tank of fuel I had some 300kg to spare. Since the car was empty at that point (no batteries, no fridge, road tyres, people, etc) I think it's going to be a very hard challenge to stay below GVM once fully loaded.

    To put it into perspective, I plan to have a 60L water tank, I was not planning on lithium batteries since I am no fan but I would go there if need be for weight reasons and I was planning to convert the spare wheel well into an extra fuel tank.

    I would be overweight before I would start on a trip like say the canning stock since I would have both the extra fuel and water tank filled to the brim. They would "quickly" drain though so I would only be over GVM for a short period of time. Also, when a copper would stop me I could drain the water tank for example to reduce weight but, yeah...

    Anyway, I have looked up the GVM rules throughout europe and some countries have a 0% tolerance but most have a 5-10% tolerance where they don't necessarily fine you but just give you a slap on the wrist. This may not seem like much but on 2.7 tonne 10% is 270kg which is extra fuel and water and then some.

    Outside of europe, in most parts of the world I am not worried since they are likely never going to check or enforce anything but I am not sure how oz is dealing with this?

    • is there a tolerance?
    • is there a fine and you are on your merry way?
    • are you given the chance to reduce weight to continue (like draining the water)
    • is the car towed and can you only continue once you have reduced weight at the police station of whatever


    Cheers,
    -P

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    Not sure how others might have fared but I have never had Police check my car/4WD for GVM. And on more than a few occasions we would have looked like we should been pulled over given our packed up we were with roof racks also heaving!

    With commercial trucks though it appears to be a different story especially if you approach a regional centre. We just have a cattle truck and dog trailer (and truck is fairly new) and I know the guys working for us have been pulled over a number of times as they skirt around a town called Bunbury. Always been fine thankfully.

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    The chance of getting pulled up and weighed is somewhere between remote and nonexistent, more so if you're not towing.
    Should you win the lottery, and get weighed, you would be educated rather than penalised.
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    Quote Originally Posted by prelude View Post
    I have read and seen quite a bit about GVM, it's ups and downs and of course there is the law.

    My original plan was to take my P38 range rover around the globe, probably starting in oz. I like the country a lot and love to see it so it is #1 on the bucket list. Also, since the import of a vehicle is damn hard (needs to be extremely clean) cleaning it here to the bone and then ship it in a container down under would be the easiest way to do things, all other countries don't really give a damn

    I wanted to take a P38 since they look awesome imho, I like the ride and because not many people choose this type of vehicle. Over the past 5 years or so I have been building up my car as best as I can taking most of the weak points out of the equation. After installing:

    • front and rear bar (both terrafirma)
    • bash plates
    • diff protectors
    • HD half shafts front and read
    • HD prop shafts
    • diff lockers
    • winch
    • roofrack
    • hard range lift kit
    • larger wheels

    and an assortment of new parts that weigh the same like new airbags, shocks, rebuild engine from the ground up, etc. etc. I recently had the opportunity to drive my beauty up on the weighbridge at a mates job and with a full tank of fuel I had some 300kg to spare. Since the car was empty at that point (no batteries, no fridge, road tyres, people, etc) I think it's going to be a very hard challenge to stay below GVM once fully loaded.

    To put it into perspective, I plan to have a 60L water tank, I was not planning on lithium batteries since I am no fan but I would go there if need be for weight reasons and I was planning to convert the spare wheel well into an extra fuel tank.

    I would be overweight before I would start on a trip like say the canning stock since I would have both the extra fuel and water tank filled to the brim. They would "quickly" drain though so I would only be over GVM for a short period of time. Also, when a copper would stop me I could drain the water tank for example to reduce weight but, yeah...

    Anyway, I have looked up the GVM rules throughout europe and some countries have a 0% tolerance but most have a 5-10% tolerance where they don't necessarily fine you but just give you a slap on the wrist. This may not seem like much but on 2.7 tonne 10% is 270kg which is extra fuel and water and then some.

    Outside of europe, in most parts of the world I am not worried since they are likely never going to check or enforce anything but I am not sure how oz is dealing with this?

    • is there a tolerance?
    • is there a fine and you are on your merry way?
    • are you given the chance to reduce weight to continue (like draining the water)
    • is the car towed and can you only continue once you have reduced weight at the police station of whatever


    Cheers,
    -P
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    You could save quite a lot of money and trouble by just buying one already here, but RRs tend to be a bit pricey.
    D1s and D2s are cheaper and there are plenty around.
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    on the exceptional odds that you do get pulled, no there is no leeway.

    however, you would most likely get a warning, possibly given a "rectify or loose roadworthy in X days"

    My money would be on bring it in at whatever weight you need to have it at and then see about getting it engineered with the better suspension while you're here and if you're not towing sacrifice the the trailer ATM in favor of a higher GVM maintaining the GCM.
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    Never heard of anyone in a car or 4wd being stopped and weighed. The weighbridges operate mainly to police the heavy transport industry and are the bain of truck drivers' lives. I would be more concerned about whether your vehicle will cope with the terrain when overloaded, i.e. whether you will get away with it mechanically, than whether you will get away with it legally. A solo vehicle broken in half on the Canning would be disastrous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoMick View Post
    You could save quite a lot of money and trouble by just buying one already here, but RRs tend to be a bit pricey.
    D1s and D2s are cheaper and there are plenty around.
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    Did you read the OP? He's spent considerable time, money and effort to prepare the car for the trip. He wants to use a P38a, there's zero chance of buying a reliable, well setup to the OP's requirements, particularly in the short time an overseas visitor will have.

    Prelude, New Zealand has equally strict rules of cleanliness as Australia.
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    If you search the socials it does come up that roadside weighing happens, I’ve never come across it happening.

    My mate was returning from school recently and he said department of transport were weighing cars with caravans just south of gympie, he was waved through towing a camper trailer.

    I have been stopped twice over last 10 years by department of transport doing general inspections (not weighing) got pinged for fishing rod holder on front bar. They mainly check the easy roadworthy stuff.

    There was a well documented roadside weighing of caravans in Vic, a local policeman pushed it and it was all about education. From memory I think they pulled only one car off the road.

    You’d be very unlucky to be pulled over and weighted, but if you are there would be zero tolerance and my vibes would be a defect notice where you need to return within x number of days complying. Again that’s only a guess.

    Re: loading up for remote travel, if you have the capability then you’ll be tempted in other areas. Good old Andrew St Peair White is trying to use this justification with his lastest ultimate tourer build where he has come in over weight and that’s not including passengers and food.

    As many will say, best to set up within limits, than to have no worries. Lighter is better they all say.

    Being on international rego they may not bother you too much anyways.

    If it was me I’d be trying to stay legal, hard at times. It the world is slowly changing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by W&KO View Post
    If you search the socials it does come up that roadside weighing happens, I’ve never come across it happening.

    My mate was returning from school recently and he said department of transport were weighing cars with caravans just south of gympie, he was waved through towing a camper trailer.

    I have been stopped twice over last 10 years by department of transport doing general inspections (not weighing) got pinged for fishing rod holder on front bar. They mainly check the easy roadworthy stuff.

    There was a well documented roadside weighing of caravans in Vic, a local policeman pushed it and it was all about education. From memory I think they pulled only one car off the road.

    You’d be very unlucky to be pulled over and weighted, but if you are there would be zero tolerance and my vibes would be a defect notice where you need to return within x number of days complying. Again that’s only a guess.

    Re: loading up for remote travel, if you have the capability then you’ll be tempted in other areas. Good old Andrew St Peair White is trying to use this justification with his lastest ultimate tourer build where he has come in over weight and that’s not including passengers and food.

    As many will say, best to set up within limits, than to have no worries. Lighter is better they all say.

    Being on international rego they may not bother you too much anyways.

    If it was me I’d be trying to stay legal, hard at times. It the world is slowly changing.
    Correct,but if you have an accident,and it doesn’t have to be that serious,and they start weighing things,they will probably throw the book at you if the vehicle is over GVM,or GCM if towing.

    Yes,things are changing,vehicles are being weighed after incidents and accidents.

    But the chance of being caught without having an accident is pretty remote.
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