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Thread: Detroit Locker Vs Truetrak Vs E Locker

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    Quote Originally Posted by 101RRS View Post
    You used the term Autolocker rather than a Detroit - huge difference - there are a lot of cheap and nasty autolockers out there, noting they are not an autolocker but an auto unlocker as they are locked and remain so until torque builds up between wheels forcing it to unlock by normally one click.

    A modern Detroit locker, marketed as a soft locker does not have the bad characteristics of older versions and other cheap and nasty 'Autolockers'.
    Correct... but just voicing my experience and that there may be a different experience between a LWB and SWB vehicles

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tote View Post
    That's more impressive than my achievement, I brought back a Stihl chainsaw with an 18" bar in checked baggage on one of my trips from the states, I checked the airline's policy which was that petrol engines were OK if new and put a nice note in for the TSA guys with a copy of the sales invoice. No issues at all although there was a note saying my luggage had been inspected.

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    Re the trutrac type diffs, I have seen them in a Disco that had the individual wheel braking system [ traction control maybe ? ] Very impressed how well it worked .
    If you don't mind the extra complication of the later model vehicles , it is a very good setup .

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    Quote Originally Posted by dero View Post
    Re the trutrac type diffs, I have seen them in a Disco that had the individual wheel braking system [ traction control maybe ? ] Very impressed how well it worked .
    If you don't mind the extra complication of the later model vehicles , it is a very good setup .
    I hadn't even thought of that but yes, I'd imagine that traction control would provide enough braking on the slipping wheel to make a True Trac work very well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tote View Post
    I hadn't even thought of that but yes, I'd imagine that traction control would provide enough braking on the slipping wheel to make a True Trac work very well.

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    Yes but is the True Trac providing the traction or the traction control - TruTrac is just a good LSD not a locker and if you want a locker well you need to get a locker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 101RRS View Post
    Yes but is the True Trac providing the traction or the traction control - TruTrac is just a good LSD not a locker and if you want a locker well you need to get a locker.
    Completely not applicable in my application but if we take as an example my 130 which does have traction control (and an E Locker, but that's not relevant) If I wanted a "better than traction control" device for the front diff I would consider a True Track. The main traction scenario that I have experienced being an issue with that configuration would be a front wheel waving in the air and having zero traction, traction control would cut in once sufficient spin was detected and would allow transfer of torque to the other wheel but with the 130 traction control is nowhere as good as a Disco 3 or 4 and on really steep terrain the additional scrabbling rather than having a locked axle is less effective.
    As a way to bootstrap traction control I reckon a Truetrac would be a good addition as the traction control would effectively trigger the Truetrac to engage and remain engaged until the wheel gained traction. This is the situation that I'm thinking of, I didn't make it up this hill on Macfarlaines track and needed a tug, it was before I had a rear diff lock but traction control wouldn't cut the mustard with multiple wheels with low - zero traction and I think that a truetrac would be one way of solving the problem





    We're way off topic from my original problem and the Detroit locker is on order for the Jeep but it's an interesting discussion that shows that there are many ways to solve a technical problem each with benefits and disadvantages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tote View Post
    If I wanted a "better than traction control" device for the front diff I would consider a True Track.
    Yes I agree that a diff lock in the rear and a Tru Track in the front is a great combination but your original post was about a locker in the rear not the front.

    In all the time I have had my Detroit in the rear of the 101, I have never felt the need for a front locker (even though I do have a ARB under the bench ready to go in). Likewise, in my manual double locked Haflinger, I regularly use the rear locker but have never had to use the front locker in anger.

    Go a locker in the rear as you asked originally, but a TrueTrac over the standard LSD in the rear will not deliver much extra capability especially when cost is taken into account.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 101RRS View Post
    Yes I agree that a diff lock in the rear and a Tru Track in the front is a great combination but your original post was about a locker in the rear not the front.

    In all the time I have had my Detroit in the rear of the 101, I have never felt the need for a front locker (even though I do have a ARB under the bench ready to go in). Likewise, in my manual double locked Haflinger, I regularly use the rear locker but have never had to use the front locker in anger.

    Go a locker in the rear as you asked originally, but a TrueTrac over the standard LSD in the rear will not deliver much extra capability especially when cost is taken into account.

    Garry
    Yeah, the locker is ordered for the Jeep, and it's unlikely to ever need anything more, the rest of the discussion is purely theoretical :-)

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    A follow up on this one, the diff is back from being rebuilt with a Detroit locker. Driving around town I was unable to provoke any noises from the rear despite driving around in small circles on bitumen to see if I could prompt a reaction. The only thing that I did note was a slight sideways movement when leaving our driveway with the rear slipping a little on the loose gravel. Overall very happy with the vehicle and the rebuild that was done by JMAC in Arndell Park and who were recommended on here as well.


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