Thread: reliability ??????

Ummm... Failing to see the point there

After all, if we didnt have the "net", Plasma TVs, and excessive living we do now we'd probably be out there doing more offroading than sitting on our backsides typing about it

Its a fact of the world. This technology thing...

Yet no-one questions the reliability of a fully electronic Airbus do they?

Well, I've never heard of a TD5 smashing into the ground due to ECU failure so realistically they're safe

Its perception, modern vehicles are much more reliable than old ones...
Just that modern technology allows us to gather knowledge of such modern issues easier...

Everything in this world has always been out there, now its just shared more on the net

Glad you've enjoyed your vehicle.

Tombraider

Hmmm

Fully electronic Airbus, I seem to remember one of the original Airbus ploughing a swath through a forrest at an airshow because of the full electronics overriding pilot commands and then another gliding several hundred kilometers because of electronic misinformation. Then there was the Lauda767 that spiralled into the sea off Thialand because of the fly-by-wire creating an uncommanded reverse thrust mid flight. Now if the airshow Airbus was "traditional" control the event wouldn't have happened and likewise for the Lauda 767 if it was cable operated reverse thrust like the Q 767's of the time, it couldn't have gone into an uncomanded reverse thrust.

So I rather like the SIII analogy if it's got fuel and its got spark it'll get you home. But maybe that is why, despite several test drives of electronic whiz bang modern Landy's I've kept the current one for 20 years!

However I am on my backside typing, but because I have to work to earn money to go out 4WD'ing and there just aint enough time between one shift and the next to go bush!

Lotz-A

Originally Posted by tombraider

Ummm... Failing to see the point there

After all, if we didnt have the "net", Plasma TVs, and excessive living we do now we'd probably be out there doing more offroading than sitting on our backsides typing about it

Its a fact of the world. This technology thing...

Yet no-one questions the reliability of a fully electronic Airbus do they?

Well, I've never heard of a TD5 smashing into the ground due to ECU failure so realistically they're safe

Its perception, modern vehicles are much more reliable than old ones...
Just that modern technology allows us to gather knowledge of such modern issues easier...

Everything in this world has always been out there, now its just shared more on the net

Glad you've enjoyed your vehicle.

Tombraider

I agree with you completely I love my fly by wire accelerator and multiple ECU's on my D2 but I think the reliability issue scares us meer mortals who aren't lucky enough to have there own Testbook to take on journey's. There wouldn't be an issue if there was more backup dealer wise in remote locations throughout the country but it all comes down to the Toyoda is king in remote areas syndrome even though it's only through the numbers of mechanics capable and willing to working on them. If I was to tour this great land of ours I would invest in a Testbook or otherwise buy a TDI D1 to do so. I know the D2 is more than capable of such a journey, and it's not the cost of repairs (It's a Land Rover therefore repairs, parts and services are expensive in this country). It's more to do with the fear of being stranded with wife and kids due to a simple problem without the ability to completely fix the car independantly. Mechanically the vehicle may be fine but due to the lack of independancy in the fault clearing you could potentially go into Limp home mode and the closest place to limp it to at 30 - 40kph is hundreds of kilometres away. For this reason I believe a simpler vehicle has an advantage over mine and any other high tech landy's.

At ther end of the day - "electronic failures" can usually still be put down to human error. Software inadequacies caused the Airbus tragedies, not component failure. I take it that the software holes that caused those situations are now fixed with well-thought out logic....

Originally Posted by Omaroo

At ther end of the day - "electronic failures" can usually still be put down to human error. Software inadequacies caused the Airbus tragedies, not component failure. I take it that the software holes that caused those situations are now fixed with well-thought out logic....

The problem with "electronic failures" is not their cause, or even how frequent they are (they are much more infrequent than mechanical failures) but the fact that they are not able to be diagnosed or the system reset over 90% of Australia or by the driver - although mechanical problems are much more frequent, most of them can be diagnosed and even fixed by the driver if knowledgeable, or at least by any half-way competent mechanic in the nearest town, even if you have to wait days for parts. But with a test book needed for diagnosis, and the nearest test book or person who can use it perhaps 2000km away, you have a real problem, even if the fault could be fixed without parts in five minutes - as is probably often the case. Eventually manufacturers will standardise interfaces and systems to a greater extent, and any mechanic will be able to fix your problem - but this might be a long time in the future.
John

Originally Posted by JDNSW

The problem with "electronic failures" is not their cause, or even how frequent they are (they are much more infrequent than mechanical failures) but the fact that they are not able to be diagnosed or the system reset over 90% of Australia or by the driver - although mechanical problems are much more frequent, most of them can be diagnosed and even fixed by the driver if knowledgeable, or at least by any half-way competent mechanic in the nearest town, even if you have to wait days for parts. But with a test book needed for diagnosis, and the nearest test book or person who can use it perhaps 2000km away, you have a real problem, even if the fault could be fixed without parts in five minutes - as is probably often the case. Eventually manufacturers will standardise interfaces and systems to a greater extent, and any mechanic will be able to fix your problem - but this might be a long time in the future.
John

I don't think they will standardise the systems, why would they they'd lose to much free money. From my experience a D2 is not a fun car to drive in the bush when you develop a fault. The other week when my wheels spun up enough mud to clog up the sensors thus creating the classic abs,tc,hd fault. I had none of these features for the rest of the trip or the week. I got home and Gernied the chassis and axles for around an hour. I tried turning the car off waiting then turning it back on, then I disconnected the battery for an hour. I had to take the car down to a Land Rover mechanic to clear the fault. Took him 2 minutes at a cost of $77.00. Plug in Testbook press faults, then clear faults. Thats it. Why would they want to standardised a system when they can charge this much for such little amount of work? Sure I could have got it done cheaper in Sydney but $77.00 here as opposed to $35.00 down there plus $40.00 worth of diesel. Still equates to $75.00

I am with dobbo I would hate to be stranded with my D2 in some remote location for a day or two with my wife winging to me. Mechanical failure I can cop but anything electrical worries me in a remote location.

This isn't really a new issue though, hence the amount of series vehicles with holden conversions. I could go to Wallendbeen or Gove this arvo and pick up a fuel pump for a red engine over the counter at the servo or mechanical workshop. The problem is the narrow mindedness of all regional and remote locations catering only for Holden, Ford,Toyota and Mitsubishi