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    TD5 Airconditioner efficiency.

    My AC compressor failed recently. The recommended AC place fitted a new compressor (and tx valve), but it's still woeful... possibly not as good as before which wasn't great either. This has been a constant issue with this car. I did some testing after the new compressor.

    19 apr. 1330. Bom 27.6 deg
    80-100k middle fan 10-11 degrees Celcius
    Town speeds 12-14 degrees Celcius
    Extended idle 15.8 degrees Celcius
    My Lap 35.

    Given it's not really able to keep up even on a moderate day, I really would like this to perform a bit better. Like at that level of efficacy it's almost better just to open the windows.

    Has anyone else had any success at making this system at least work well enough to get the air coming out of the system is at least typical AC temps of like 4?

    New better condenser and and fans are my only ideas as I know changing the evaporator would be challenging.
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    Just to clarify, it's in a defender?

    If so, late or early?

    The systems are very different to each other.

    I have both styles, I've done a lot of work on it and I've got the late one working frosty cold.

    The other is not currently going.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shack View Post
    Just to clarify, it's in a defender?

    If so, late or early?

    The systems are very different to each other.

    I have both styles, I've done a lot of work on it and I've got the late one working frosty cold.

    The other is not currently going.
    Mine is a 2005 english built Defender TD5. It's a 110 so small air conditioner in a large white box.

    It's got the locally attached under dash AC.

    EDIT: This mornings revelation that despite having a new compressor the condenser fan was not working. "I know we checked that". Yep.. but it's not working now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot View Post
    Mine is a 2005 english built Defender TD5. It's a 110 so small air conditioner in a large white box.

    It's got the locally attached under dash AC.

    EDIT: This mornings revelation that despite having a new compressor the condenser fan was not working. "I know we checked that". Yep.. but it's not working now.
    The condenser fan only works under certain conditions, I can't remember what they are off the top of my head.

    It's a mixture of ambient temp, road speed and coolant temp, or something along those lines.

    If the weather is cool it may not come on, that's likely the car with yours.

    Does yours have 2 4 position switches to control the fan and AC temp?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shack View Post
    The condenser fan only works under certain conditions, I can't remember what they are off the top of my head.

    It's a mixture of ambient temp, road speed and coolant temp, or something along those lines.

    If the weather is cool it may not come on, that's likely the car with yours.

    Does yours have 2 4 position switches to control the fan and AC temp?
    Re the fan.. that was the update .. apparently it is working when it wants to work.

    Yep, mine has the two switches. 0-3 fan and 0-3 AC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot View Post
    Re the fan.. that was the update .. apparently it is working when it wants to work.

    Yep, mine has the two switches. 0-3 fan and 0-3 AC.
    So the condenser fan is working properly?


    If you have the 2 4 position switches, you will also have a separate AC ECU.

    Do you have a Nanocom?

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    I had a quick look for some info.

    Unfortunately there is very little available on the AC system and ECU used in late TD5 defenders, so I'll give some D2 numbers for the HVAC ECU and hopefully they are at least similar.

    For cooling when the AC is on in the D2, the condenser fan turns on when roadspeed is under 80kmh and ambient temp is over 28°c, it turns back off when roadspeed increases to 100kmh or ambient drops to 25°c.

    I don't know if both figures need to be achieved for switching or not, but that gives you some info to work with.

    It also serves to help with engine cooling when of the AC is off, but I won't get into those figures here.

    I know I've lowered the operating switching temps on mine as I felt it was better to start cooling earlier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shack View Post
    So the condenser fan is working properly?


    If you have the 2 4 position switches, you will also have a separate AC ECU.

    Do you have a Nanocom?
    I do have a nanocom but it's gen 1 and basically useless so let's say no.

    I'm not aware of a second ecu.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shack View Post
    I had a quick look for some info.

    Unfortunately there is very little available on the AC system and ECU used in late TD5 defenders, so I'll give some D2 numbers for the HVAC ECU and hopefully they are at least similar.

    For cooling when the AC is on in the D2, the condenser fan turns on when roadspeed is under 80kmh and ambient temp is over 28°c, it turns back off when roadspeed increases to 100kmh or ambient drops to 25°c.

    I don't know if both figures need to be achieved for switching or not, but that gives you some info to work with.

    It also serves to help with engine cooling when of the AC is off, but I won't get into those figures here.

    I know I've lowered the operating switching temps on mine as I felt it was better to start cooling earlier.
    As can be seen by my testing the other day - I'm seeing temps at 15 at the vent for extended idling on a warm day.

    Can't we do better than that? I'm thinking I need to investigate a second fan that runs far more. maybe any time the ac is switched on.
     2005 Defender 110 

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    The second ECU is behind the right hand side speaker and the AC controls.

    I strongly doubt your issue is the condenser fan capacity.

    If you are handy on the tools I've got a mod you could try for testing purposes.

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