Yes Jet A1 is aviation standard kerosene, I ran it mixed with diesel in Td5 last year with no problems. As its a little lighter than diesel the mix is 50:1 Jet A1 to motor oil.
Reminds me to get some more fuel from work this summer.
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Yes Jet A1 is aviation standard kerosene, I ran it mixed with diesel in Td5 last year with no problems. As its a little lighter than diesel the mix is 50:1 Jet A1 to motor oil.
Reminds me to get some more fuel from work this summer.
Yep AVTUR = JET A1 used in NOT REAL jet engines, but in turbo fan jets. The REAL deal is AVCAT high octane used in military PURE jet engines, now that would light your fire. And probably send most engine parts next door at the same time.
Shorty.
jet a1 avtur for those that don't know 'avtur' is aircraftspeak for 'aviation turbine fuel'
i would think that 50:1 would be damaging to your engine.
distallate is 40 gallons kero to 4 gallons oil [imperial gals.] somehow that fits neatly on a 44 gallon drum.
avtur is a bit more on the 'power kerosine' side of things, far better refined and quality controlled - more burn for your buck sorta thing, as an aircraft engine [low compression diesel ie- jet, gas turbine] does not need the oil to lubricate the cylinder walls ['cause it 'aint got 'em] it does not have the lubricating properties of distillate, but avtur does have enough lubricating properties to keep the pumps and things going to get the fuel into the fire.
as for useing it in your landy, good luck, and don't let the tax man and the enviro man find out.
but it's not as expensive as getting caught using avgas in your petrol engined car - i think the fine is $30,000 to the user, and $100,000 to the seller.
Funny that excise mob aren't they. Wonder how the retail outlets get on with it. In Adelaide I know of 3 maybe 4 fuel outlets that actually have AVGAS bowsers. The new improved premium unleaded just will not burn in a high compression modified engine. So most of the Hotrodders have turned to the "low" octane AVGAS 100, as a replacement for the original 97\98 octane super. The full bottle AVGAS of 140+ octane, can't get, just as well, with a flash point of -40C it might just fire up in the tank before it ever gets to the engine.
Agree with the idea of AVCAT degreaser. We used it for that purpose on Aircraft Carriers. Used to love the horrified look of junior officers, as they saw us cigarette in mouth, over a tub of aviation fuel. PUT THAT OUT, etc. So we just spat the fag end into the AVCAT. It went out with a hiss and a little white mushroom cloud. Most impressive.
Please do not, ever think I am lax about safety, it's just that some folk can be a little less,-- oh let us say "experienced", than some others. Fire and emergency engineering, of the 9\11 kind, is my lifes work. Both in the military, and as a local emergency service volunteer. A little cavelier in my attitude, maybe, but that is my perogative. My safety is of less concern to me than the safety of others.
Life is a laugh, as long as you not too serious about it.
Shorty.
OK all, when I worked for a certain government employer about 10 years ago, I pretty well ran straight Avgas for about 3 years, without any problems what so ever, a hell of a lot of other people did as well, as the price was right and not once did I hear of any problems, it was a mixture of green, the old 100/130 leaded stuff and the blue 100LL stuff as well, I was also playing around with fast boats at the same time and had a blown 454 which loved the stuff. All the engines I ran it in were older unleaded ones, now days with modern vehicles and O2 sensors etc, I would be supprised if they did`nt start to get a lead coating which could lead to some problems. But otherwise go for it, it saved me a fortune over the year, more than enough to pay for an engine rebuld if it ever came to that. Some nights my old WB one tonner would leave work with 4x44s on the back, sitting on its ar*e, if I had a big trip planned, a big part of the planning was how many 44s you would need to get there and back again. Pity those days are over.
Avtur-kero-jet A1-Avcat etc, it is all basically the same stuff, it will all run in your oil burner, but you may have problems with it running dry and stuffing your fuel pump. I would be a bit more worried running it in a TD5. As for the difference it, well diesel is a lower cut with more oil in it, and as for the rest there is not a great deal of difference, kero is the base and Avtur and Avcat have a lot more additives, which aid in preventing anti-icing and anit-bacterial/fungal growth and a few other things, you can run the stuff in kero heater as well, but the additives a carsnagenic(spelling) so will probably ended up killing you eventually, as for the difference between Avcat and Avtur, the main difference is the flash point, the navy use`s Acat as it is safer with a flash poin of around +60c where as Avtur is some where in the range of +40ish, can`t rember all the exact figure as it is a long time ago that I did my fuel quality control course.
I used to run the left over Avtur out of the tanks of aircraft in for repair in my old 2.6L 6 LR farm ute. Mixed it 50:50 with petrol, went fine. Cold starting was the only trouble the petrol would have evaporated out of the carby bowl leaving pure kero. Also a little blue smoke. Once it had been drained out of the tanks they couldn't put it back in the plane.
Jet A1 is effectively what the Canadians call Winter Diesel.
The 300TDi Wolf was designed to run on Jet A1 too (saves on multiple fuel dumps).
The only problems you'll have are from the excise chaps though it would be interesting to compare EGT figures.
M
what changes are needed on a 300 Tdi to run it?
LRH
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Originally Posted by wovenrovings
I think you mean Avgas if you were running with petol, Avtur is only to be used in diesels.
as for using avtur or avgas, unless you're in the business, forget it.
it is very illegal
[illegal is illegal, so no need for a 'very', just emphasis, sorry ron]
avgas also cost's more than pump petrol.
avgas also has huge lead amounts including shell 'lo-lead' which will foul plugs as your engine is not air cooled, so does not run as hot to burn the lead off. [i believe the 'lo-lead' moniker to be fictishous advertising, as i have heard that mobil 100 octane avgas actually has less lead than the shell product- but don't believe me, ask shell and mobil, i don't want to be sued.]
avtur is also extremely difficult to obtain for auto use, and not worth the effort, considering the necessity to add a lubricant.