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And just what is wrong with being a Luddite - the Luddites were wise - see what the industrial revolution and beyond has done to the world's ecosystem and climate. And how many 000000's of people were killed in london by the smog that the industrial revolution created...Quote:
Originally Posted by tombraider
But back on topic - definitely get a late model 300Tdi and convert that rather than a TD5.
well i would be happy (iam happy) with my td5 i jst get a bit worried the electronics will chuck it in ! in the middle of woop woop
We recently had a 1 in 50 year storm, roads everywhere disappeared and the area had 2 1/2' of water everywhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by Defender=1st
Lara spent 8 hours sloshing around in it including 3 water crossings where the water was 3-4 inches up the front glass.
Idled up to her waist in water for ages (between vehicle recoveries - I assisted the SES) and is running like a champ.
Only vehicle issue was the wet drivers seat from my soggy ar e sitting back on it all night in wet shorts.
Dude! They cant prove any of the heating / cooling cycle of earth is unnatural... We're due for the heating cycle of climate shift... Nothing new in billions of years of our planets cycle.Quote:
Originally Posted by isuzurover
And a true Luddite (which many of the people happily tapping away on this list are not) would never have a PC, Automatic washing machine, or ever fly in an aircraft....
Consider the modern aircraft, powered by technology.. Electronics controlling the entire thing.... Sure it has some back-up systems but not enough most of the time!!!!
We still use those things!
Consider a modern engine... More power, economy, lower emissions etc...
Consider how often an ECU actually dies....
Sure water can halt progress, but rarely stops it....
And those going bush will often attest, its usually clutch, CV or axle which halts progress, not a dead ECU.
hey tombraider is your a Td5 though ?? and on a Td5 wouldnt the accelerator pedal have been under water ?? (so it wouldnt work) or water in the Ecu box ??(cause i hear they leak)
I fitted a "snorkel" to my ECU years ago.... :) Breathes from the roof cavity but is still in the seat box, gets covered in water all the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Defender=1st
My accelerator assy has been submerged more than I care to remember. I even hose it down with the steam cleaner when I steam clean out my floor...
Never had an issue...
Once had the throttle under water for 40 minutes in muddy gunk! Whilst performing a winch recovery. Hosed it down next day. Still going fine (that was 5 years ago)
Very true, we are actually still in a mild ice age. Besides if you talk of "greenhouse gas" what comes out the back end of the sheep and cattle we farm for food produces more greenhouse emissions than all the cars in Australia. Imagine the gas from somthing the size of a dinosaur poo and you could say that T-rex was a bigger environmental vandal than 4wd owners are now.Quote:
Dude! They cant prove any of the heating / cooling cycle of earth is unnatural... We're due for the heating cycle of climate shift... Nothing new in billions of years of our planets cycle.
Sorry to get off track.
That's true, mainly because the atmosphere has so many complex processes, we just don't have the computing power to model them all (and probably don't even know what they all are).Quote:
Originally Posted by tombraider
BUT
We have a pretty good climate record (from ice cores etc) and while the Earth has gone through many heating and cooling cycles before it's the rate of change which has people worried. Nowhere in any climate record that we have has the atmosphere warmed so rapidly.
Some global warming advocates are over the top, like Al Gore, but I don't think there's much doubt that we are having an effect and really should do something about it.
Sorry to get OT.
Forget getting back on topic - you want to spoil all the fun!Quote:
Originally Posted by isuzurover
You are being selective by picking the number of people killed in London by industrial revolution smog - for a start most of the smog was from using coal for heating (in London, not in the industrial towns), but you also need to think about the fact that the industrial revolution enabled the changes to water supply and drainage that enabled cities toward the end of the industrial revolution to become for the first time (probably since cities have existed) places where the birth rate exceeded the death rate.
By any measure the number of lives saved by the industrial revolution is far greater than those lost due to it - simple examination of mortality tables shows this (even taking into account industrial scale wars). At the start of the industrial revolution most children died in their first few months, but by the end of the nineteenth century, in industrialised countries this had increased to a survival rate of perhaps 60% (some even higher - my father's family only lost one in seven) and today to the high nineties - and very little of this increase would have been possible without the industrial revolution, which made possible everything from clean water to adequate nutrition to medical research and a living standard that allows these benefits to be available to most people in industrialised countries. And allows people to have the luxury of choosing which technologies they use - just because a technology is available doesn't mean your best route is to use it, and just because you don't use it doesn't mean you are a Luddite!
John
I reckon it's brilliant!
I'll have a waterfront home in 10 years time!
But we'd better get back to the topic........:p