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    Running rich?

    Hi all,

    I have a 93 D1 V8 fuel injected.

    Chasing other dramas, I was reading here where, I think tombraider said, the Rover V8 was well known to soot spark plugs.

    So my question is: I've occasionally thought my engine was running rich? How do I go about working out if the mixture is correct?

    I'm about to put ina new set of plugs as they're sooty and I think two have given up completely, after about 20,000ks.

    GQ

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    good luck...

    you'll need to read the EGO sensor and know its vranges and you'll have to do it while the engines running while the sensors hooked up.. (not impossable tho)

    some mech/dyno shops have exhaust gass analisers as part of their setup, run it over one of those.


    the 3 common causes in an injected engine (genericly) crook ego sensor, crook maf or equivelent or a pressure regulator thats failed to a higher pressure position.

    cheapish to fix when you know what to blame
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    Thanks Dave, you're as always, so helpful!


    (Does that come with subtitles????lol)

    This issue is obvioulsy not a quick fiddle with a few simple tools? ........

    GQ

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    Talking

    No Quiggers, now put the hammer back down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quiggers View Post
    Thanks Dave, you're as always, so helpful!


    (Does that come with subtitles????lol)

    This issue is obvioulsy not a quick fiddle with a few simple tools? ........

    GQ
    umm yes no maybe...

    Im tipping my definition of simple tools is different to yours....

    your spark plugs will also give you an indication
    Dave

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    What about the water temperature sensor.Or a crook themostat.
    maybe the "choke" is on.
    These to me would be no 1.
    Regards Philip A

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    nope water temp sender not so much, the air temp sender (part of maf) maybe if the temp sender was shot your temp gauge would be out too...

    no choke on EFI.
    Dave

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    from memory (and on tonights preformace forgetting which state sydneys in (apart from wrecked) I wouldnt trust it much) the sensor and sendor for the gauge are one and the same... so a fault on that would also have the temp gauge going nanas....

    (I really need to go back and do yr 10 english, grammer and proof reading again)

    me thinks I should dig out my old service manual for the disco... but I know where it is and Its packed in the bottom of the bottom box cause I didnt think Id need it again....
    Dave

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    For spelling call Rogets, for mechanicing call me.

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    Archaeoptersix 1990 6x6 dual cab(This things staying)


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    I'll keep the hammer in the tool box, Dave!

    maf = mass air flow meter, yes?

    I replaced the plugs at 1600hrs today, very sooty - after about 10000ks on them.

    Eight cylinders, all fine, but I reckon it runs rich.....

    GQ

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    dead serious... had a heap of stuff happen in the begging of my quiet time (phone rang, computers beeped, mobile rang, alex cried someone at door you know the drill) anyway twas a bit much for the connection between the brain and reality and she slipped out of gear for a bit... (more lube should help slow that problem)

    The evidence is here http://www.aulro.com/afvb/showthread.php't=34245

    anyhow..

    yeah MAF=Mass air Flow or for the purpose of this thread the stuff that does the same job as a MAF there being more than one way to skin a cat and all..

    Sooty plugs are one of four main causes (assuming by soot you mean a light coating of carbon that is easily removed by wiping)

    1. over fuelling (may also be from a blocked air filter)
    2. wrong temp for the plug (too cold plug)
    3. too long between services
    4. prolonged cold idle/excessive idle times/something else causing hunting at idle

    1. is hard to square up on an EFI donk without brainy tools
    2. is easy (but not cool for prolonged use)on a v8 keep 2 old plugs in(clean them first), replace 2 with one step hotter and 2 with 2 steps hotter the last 2 put 2 of the same type in (use diagonally opposite sides of the engine to eliminate external temp influences) it may run a little funny but after about 500k you will have enough info to tell you what you need to change. whichever plugs came up cleanest are your bet.
    3. just needs em changing more often, I used to check mine every service and get say 30-40k from a set of plugs depending on how good the fuel was and how I was driving.
    4. is pretty much self explanitory, dont idle it more than you need to, and give it some nice long cruisey runs... Bug one was prone to fouling when SWMBO used it for just running the groceries and movies to and from the shops (70 second drive tops).

    There is one adjustment you should be able to do with just a screwdriver and a spanner and thats to adjust the idle port air bleed but this will effect idle as well..

    more on that later if changing the plugs doesnt help.
    Dave

    "In a Landrover the other vehicle is your crumple zone."

    For spelling call Rogets, for mechanicing call me.

    Fozzy, 2.25D SIII Ex DCA Ute
    Tdi autoManual d1 (gave it to the Mupion)
    Archaeoptersix 1990 6x6 dual cab(This things staying)


    If you've benefited from one or more of my posts please remember, your taxes paid for my skill sets, I'm just trying to make sure you get your monies worth.
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