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Thread: 300tdi versus td5 in torque at idle speed?

  1. 3rd February 2007, 11:52 AM #1
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    300tdi versus td5 in torque at idle speed?

    Hi

    Just out of curiosity, I' was talking to a guy who drives a 130 td5 dualcab ute for state rail (the ones set up for running along the rail line), and he was saying his only gripe with the vehicle was having to rev the guts out of it to take off. they permanently have it loadedto the max about 1.5 ton, Thats a fair bit on the back to take off with if on soft ground or on a steep slope. but if using low range youwouldn't think reving the crap out of it would be necesary. I know with the 300 motor i can reverse a 1.2t caravan up our driveway which is pretty steep on dead idle (foot off the pedal), is their a difference hear between the two engines at low revs? The td5 has more torque at revs going by specs, but just wondering now about real lugging power right down low?

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  2. 3rd February 2007, 01:09 PM #2
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    It would be interesting to hear as the 300Tdi has such a rep for being gutless.

    Thing is I can't believe how close to impossible stalling a 300tdi is off road (in high as well as low range)

    Our previous 2.8TD Jackaroo stalled a lot earlier than what the 300tdi will
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  3. 3rd February 2007, 02:05 PM #3
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    Quote Originally Posted by cookiesa View Post
    It would be interesting to hear as the 300Tdi has such a rep for being gutless.

    Thing is I can't believe how close to impossible stalling a 300tdi is off road (in high as well as low range)

    Our previous 2.8TD Jackaroo stalled a lot earlier than what the 300tdi will
    Thats whats got me thinking mate, if i revved the daylights out of mine taking off with a load some thing would fly to bits for sure, not necesary.

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  4. 3rd February 2007, 06:32 PM #4
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    300TDi is a nice reliable donk but don't believe it is better than a TD5. I have driven both. If it wasn't for the TD5 harness/ECU problems I would say no contest.
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  5. 3rd February 2007, 06:51 PM #5
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    Sumo them Highrails have a lot of weight on them the rail running gear and hydraulics on them would easily way over a ton, then the weight of a 130 crew cab, then the 1.5 ton on the back. It's a lot of weight for a little engine to pull up hills.
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    Can't help as mine is converted to Auto with a high stall converted so you rev it anywhere for 2000-3000 on take of. It does get up and move even when loaded though!
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  7. 3rd February 2007, 07:38 PM #7
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    Quote Originally Posted by dobbo View Post
    Sumo them Highrails have a lot of weight on them the rail running gear and hydraulics on them would easily way over a ton, then the weight of a 130 crew cab, then the 1.5 ton on the back. It's a lot of weight for a little engine to pull up hills.

    Yeah, your right mate wasn't thinking about the weight of that rail running gear!!, Jap stuff probably wouldn't take off at all ,

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    well I know for a fact that a loaded TD5 110 quite happilly pulls a fully loaded disco on a car trailer from albury to melbourne quite happily...

    no low range take offs (well except when I was getting out of the camp site and wanted slow speed for manouvering)
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    IMO, the Td5 is a lot easier to stall than the 300Tdi.
    I only really drive brand newies so maybe they get better with age.
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  10. 3rd February 2007, 09:35 PM #10
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blknight.aus View Post
    well I know for a fact that a loaded TD5 110 quite happilly pulls a fully loaded disco on a car trailer from albury to melbourne quite happily...

    no low range take offs (well except when I was getting out of the camp site and wanted slow speed for manouvering)

    But thats all down hill going that way!!

    Seriously on dead idle will they push & pull weight?

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