Thread: Valvoline Synpower 5W-40 in TD5

Originally Posted by RRV80

5w-40 is to thin for a td5 at least a 10w, desiels dont like thin oil too much, apart from that ive heard its good stuff.

Sorry, but 5W oil is what is recommended for the TD5 and is all I have been using and all the dealer should use. Many types of 10W oil is in fact too heavy for most TD5 applications. As said some 10w oils can be thinner, but you would need to know your oils. Using an incorrect recommended oil may void your warranty and if you are out of warranty worse.

That Valvoline Synpower is I'm sure what is being used in our TD5 by MR Automotive.

Some good info - Thanks everyone

BradM

It sounds like a top oil and if thats your best source /available choice (and if MR Auto, redcliffe are using it then go with it.) This particular thread has not mentioned specifications and focused on viscosity. 5-40w is the manufacturers recommendation and rightly so as it will suit the extremes of European winters with greater than > -30c at times. You can go to a supermarket and purchase an oil that meets this viscosity but does not meet the specificatoins to meet the manufacturers requirements, if I remember correctly Td5 is ACEA B1.
This is an old spec. and has been IMPROVED on by all the funny additives used these days ( why WE no longer put additives in our chosen expensive oil). Synthetics will always beat the manufacturers requirements due to their additives. I use PM Lubricants, 15-40w(synthetic)and spec. to ACEA E5, used by fleet trucks and agricultural/ heavy industry to protect their VERY expensive machinery, not generally available retail, but you can source this through their web site. It would be nice to have this discussion again after our Landys have done >200,000K !!
Steve

Kandy

I use PM Lubricants, and spec. to ACEA E5, used by fleet trucks and agricultural/ heavy industry to protect their VERY expensive machinery, not generally available retail, but you can source this through their web site.

Steve

I spoke to PM Oils and was very impressed. I am purchasing 3 x 5 litre packs of the PM 421 Synthetic Eviro Turbolife 15W-40 oil plus the PM 800 Fuel System Conditioner. I am told it is Aussie made for Aussie conditions and that I will definitely notice the difference using it against other oils. We will see.

Freight from Brisbane to Karratha for it is $39. Oil is $51-15 for 5 litres and they GAURANTEE it in the TD5.

If it does not work out...and "BANG" then I will have an excuse for a 2.8 l stroker but I very much doubt it.

BradM

Originally Posted by BradM

Kandy



I spoke to PM Oils and was very impressed. I am purchasing 3 x 5 litre packs of the PM 421 Synthetic Eviro Turbolife 15W-40 oil plus the PM 800 Fuel System Conditioner. I am told it is Aussie made for Aussie conditions and that I will definitely notice the difference using it against other oils. We will see.

Freight from Brisbane to Karratha for it is $39. Oil is $51-15 for 5 litres and they GAURANTEE it in the TD5.

If it does not work out...and "BANG" then I will have an excuse for a 2.8 l stroker but I very much doubt it.

BradM

Hi Brad,
Good on you, the only "bang" you will get is a smoother engine and better economy, ie. less friction. It is available in a 20L drum, will 15L cover 2 oil drops? PM does oil analysis as well free? so ( Steve Kelly) could arrange something. Ill have mine done at 5K then 10K of use so will let you know the results. Ive used the PM800 for years in all my vehicles,(petrol and diesel) never had an injector problem nor black smoke, put some in every tank fill.
Steve

anyone have a PDS on this stuff or any tech info at all ?
There is none on their website.
As I said further up, any 'synthetic' oil (and that's a pretty loose term these days) that meets the relevant ACEA spec and at least API CF spec will be ok.

Here's a rundown of the ACEA schedule.

5/15
A/B : gasoline and diesel engine oils

A1/B1 Oil intended for use in gasoline and car + light van diesel engines specifically designed to be capable of using low
friction low viscosity oils with a High temperature / High shear rate viscosity of 2.6 to 3.5 mPa.s. These oils may be
unsuitable for use in some engines. Consult owner manual or handbook if in doubt.

A3/B3 Stable, stay-in-grade oil intended for use in high performance gasoline and car + light van diesel engines and/or
for extended drain intervals where specified by the engine manufacturer, and/or for year-round use of low viscosity oils,
and/or for severe operating conditions as defined by the engine manufacturer.

A3/B4 Stable, stay-in-grade oil intended for use in high performance gasoline and direct injection diesel engines, but
also suitable for applications described under A3/B3.

A5/B5 Stable, stay-in-grade oil intended for use at extended drain intervals in high performance gasoline and car + light
van diesel engines designed to be capable of using low friction low viscosity oils with a High temperature / High shear
rate viscosity of 2.9 to 3.5 mPa.s. These oils may be unsuitable for use in some engines. Consult owner manual or
handbook if in doubt.

C : Catalyst compatibility oils

C1 Stable, stay-in-grade oil intended for use as catalyst compatible oil in vehicles with DPF and TWC in high
performance car and light van diesel and gasoline engines requiring low friction, low viscosity, low SAPS oils with a HTHS
higher than 2.9 mPa.s. These oils will increase the DPF and TWC life and provide fuel economy benefit.
Warning: these oils have the lowest SAPS limits and may be unsuitable for use in some engines. Consult owner manual
or handbook if in doubt.

C2 Stable, stay-in-grade oil intended for use as catalyst compatible oil in vehicles with DPF and TWC in high
performance car and light van diesel and gasoline engines designed to be capable of using low friction, low viscosity oils
with a HTHS higher than 2.9 mPa.s. These oils will increase the DPF and TWC life and provide fuel economy benefit.
Warning: these oils may be unsuitable for use in some engines. Consult owner manual or handbook if in doubt.

C3 Stable, stay-in-grade oil intended for use as catalyst compatible oil in vehicles with DPF and TWC in high
performance car and light van diesel and gasoline engines. These oils will increase the DPF and TWC life.
Warning: these oils may be unsuitable for use in some engines. Consult owner manual or handbook if in doubt.

C4 Stable, stay-in-grade oil intended for use as catalyst compatible oil in vehicles with DPF and TWC in high
performance car and light van diesel and gasoline engines requiring low SAPS oil with HTHS higher than 3.5mPa.s.
These oils will increase the DPF and TWC life.
Warning: these oils may be unsuitable for use in some engines. Consult owner manual or handbook if in doubt.
SAPS: Sulphated Ash, Phosphorus, Sulphur
DPF: Diesel Particulate Filter
TWC: Three way catalyst
HTHS: High temperature / High shear rate viscosity
EGR: Exhaust Gas Recirculation

ACEA ACEA 2007 EUROPEAN OIL SEQUENCES FOR SERVICE-FILL OILS
Feb. 2007

E: Heavy Duty Diesel engine oils

E2 General purpose oil for naturally aspirated and turbocharged heavy duty diesel engines, medium to heavy duty
cycles and mostly normal oil drain intervals.

E4 Stable, stay-in-grade oil providing excellent control of piston cleanliness, wear, soot handling and lubricant
stability. It is recommended for highly rated diesel engines meeting Euro 1, Euro 2, Euro 3 and Euro 4 emission
requirements and running under very severe conditions, e.g. significantly extended oil drain intervals according to the
manufacturer’s recommendations. It is suitable for engines without particulate filters, and for some EGR engines and
some engines fitted with SCR NOx reduction systems. However, recommendations may differ between engine
manufacturers so Driver Manuals and/or Dealers shall be consulted if in doubt.

E6 Stable, stay-in-grade oil providing excellent control of piston cleanliness, wear, soot handling and lubricant
stability. It is recommended for highly rated diesel engines meeting Euro 1, Euro 2, Euro 3 and Euro 4 emission
requirements and running under very severe conditions, e.g. significantly extended oil drain intervals according to the
manufacturer’s recommendations. It is suitable for EGR engines, with or without particulate filters, and for engines fitted
with SCR NOx reduction systems. E6 quality is strongly recommended for engines fitted with particulate filters and is
designed for use in combination with low sulphur diesel fuel (max 50 ppm). However, recommendations may differ
between engine manufacturers so Driver Manuals and/or Dealers shall be consulted if in doubt.

E7 Stable, stay-in-grade oil providing effective control with respect to piston cleanliness and bore polishing. It further
provides excellent wear and turbocharger deposit control, soot handling and lubricant stability. It is recommended for
highly rated diesel engines meeting Euro 1, Euro 2, Euro 3 and Euro 4 emission requirements and running under severe
conditions, e.g. extended oil drain intervals according to the manufacturer’s recommendations. It is suitable for engines
without particulate filters, and for most EGR engines and most engines fitted with SCR NOx reduction systems. However,
recommendations may differ between engine manufacturers so Driver Manuals and/or Dealers shall be consulted if in
doubt.

A 20 litre drum costs a bomb to freight to Karratha. 3 x 5 litre packs will do two oil changes plus the PM800 fits in the same box after one pack is removed.

Courier freight to me then is only $39 making the exercise cost effective. The testimonials from the people that use it sold me on it. If I get the extra fuel economy as well from the PM800 and the oil I will be very happy.

Deisel hit $1.61 a litre here in Karratha.


BradM