Anyone know the max tow ball weight for 110 landrovers?

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Originally Posted by mark2

it all depends where in the rev range the power is produced. TDi's arent exactly reknowned for great bottom end torque either btw.

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The power and torque curves for these engines show a good fat spread, most of it is available without revving the snot out of the engine.
The bottom end torque is certainly there.

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Originally Posted by mark2

As an extreme example, try towing a car trailer with a WRX which has twice the power of a Land Rover and 3x the power to weight ratio. See how long the clutch lasts and check out the fuel economy. This illustrates why comparing power to weight is meaningless when it comes to towing ability.

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How does burning clutches and fuel in a wrx show why power to weight is meaningless?
More power/weight makes you potentially faster up a hill. It's quite a simple concept.

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Originally Posted by mark2

Anyway if it makes you feel all warm and fuzzy to think/brag that a Land Rover can tow 3.5t or 4.0t in the REAL world, far be it from me to spoil the illusion or prevent someone from buying an unsuitable vehicle.

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You've mentioned unsuitable several times, but you haven't yet said what you think a suitable vehicle is.
Do you know more about this subject than the vehicle makers? Or do you want everyone to buy something ridiculous like a dodge ram or F250?

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Originally Posted by Dougal

The power and torque curves for these engines show a good fat spread, most of it is available without revving the snot out of the engine.
The bottom end torque is certainly there.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/


How does burning clutches and fuel in a wrx show why power to weight is meaningless?
More power/weight makes you potentially faster up a hill. It's quite a simple concept.



You've mentioned unsuitable several times, but you haven't yet said what you think a suitable vehicle is.
Do you know more about this subject than the vehicle makers? Or do you want everyone to buy something ridiculous like a dodge ram or F250?

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Are you saying that you think a WRX would make a good tow vehicle because it is powerful?:eek:

If someone NEEDS to regularly tow 4t, an F250 would be a far better choice than a Land Rover. Despite other shortcomings this is what they excel at, largely due to the torque characteristics of their large capacity engines. (Powerstroke Diesel has approximatly 770Nm @ 2000 rpm). A wheelbase which is much longer than 100/110" also helps greatly with towing stability.

For towing 750kg - 2t, which pretty much covers most camper trailers, average caravans, average sized trailer boats and small horse floats, a LR is adequate, not great but adequate. I certainly wouldnt advocate an F250 for loads of this nature.

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Originally Posted by Dougal

How does burning clutches and fuel in a wrx show why power to weight is meaningless?
More power/weight makes you potentially faster up a hill. It's quite a simple concept.

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when it comes to towingpower to weight is totally meaningless

lets take a 300hp 1.1t wrx and a 275hp 12t R series mack...

ok so the wrx is faster up a hill and off the mark.

now add 8t of trailer and 26t of M113s to both.

ok you cant as the WRX cant actually carry an m113 on its back so lets let the wrx try to pull 8t of trailer and 1 m113 at 13 t (21t all up)

even if it could overcome the rolling resistance of the trailer and load It wouldnt get it over the first decent speed bump let alone anything like a hill.

the landrover is very capable at towing upto and including 4t Having done it in both disco 1's and big red. Well unless you want to be able to tow at WRX speeds but thats pointless because its not legal anywhere in aus.

Just because someone happens to want to be in a screaming great hurry isnt the problem of a person in a slower vehicle in front its up to the someone to overtake SAFELY. Its not the problem of the slower vehicle to get the hell out of the way.

Id hate to want to be in a hurry in cane cutting seaon or harvest season in the north... those tractors are flat out at 40kph and they often take up 1 + 1/2 lanes And you cant tell me that a tractors a Bad towing vehicle

I've towed 2.5t with a Disco and that was enough for for me. I could not imagine what it would be like with 4t on the back:eek:.

Tractors make great short haul tow vehicles, if you dont want to go over 40km/h. Not many trucking companies use them here for moving freight long distances however........
In cane areas, specials signs are in place to warn drivers of slow moving cane hauling machinery during the cutting season. Bins are hauled by truck for anything more than a short haul.

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Originally Posted by mark2

Are you saying that you think a WRX would make a good tow vehicle because it is powerful?:eek:

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You bought up the WRX, don't try to hang that crap on me.:D

After a few phone calls, it seems I can change the placard on my hayman reece tow bar on the '89 Rangie from 4000/120kg to 3500/250kg just by taking the vehicle to a service agent so they can see the bar, then they send away for a new placard, once arrived they weld it over the old placard. Cost = $10.

This is the R1253 towbar from hayman reece, exactly the same towbar that is fitted to my D1 and which hayman reece will only allow 3500/150kg. I guess hayman reece are responding to the 'recommendation' in the owners handbook.