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    Slipping out of 2nd and 3rd gear

    My series 3 gearbox in olmate is now slipping out of 2nd and 3rd when off the revs. I have been told to adjust the selectors (know where they are) but how much? Is this a job needing a bit more than a 'tweek' and is it achieveable on the weekend. I have had the box out before, it was rebuilt for me last year but I have not played with it yet. Any help / suggestions would be appreciated

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    Hmm - not sure if it is a selector problem... But it is a good idea to take the top off and check the gears are engaging fully, etc...

    Take the floor/tunnel out and remove the gear lever
    There are two l-shaped brackets on either side of the top cover - remove them, making sure you don't lose the springs behind them, and pack the holes with grease. Remove the brass plug on top and remove the spring and ball inside.
    This will make sure the detent balls don't fall into the box when you take the top cover off.

    When you have the cover off, select each gear and make sure it is engaging properly. If not engaging fully, you just need to adjust things enough so that it does engage fully.

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    I know its not the approved method but when my ole girl ('76) was doing that I took the detent ball spring holders off (top of gearbox, easy access) and put a small machined piece of steel behind them. Made to look like a drawing pin with a thicker stem which fits inside the spring and the top about 2mm thick which increases the detent ball pressure.
    After 10yrs. is still working ok.
    llandro

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    Hey Next time you post about a series 3 veichle, post it in the series 3 section. we are lonley down here I we need more to gas bag about.


    I agree have a fiddle with the detent springs before you drop the box ( Lift it)

    I seems to be a pretty common problem with these gear boxes.

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    Howdy Troy . Mate Olmate is rejecting the series 3 box because it is a series 2a ..... Like humans not all transplants work out

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    Quote Originally Posted by wannalandy View Post
    Howdy Troy . Mate Olmate is rejecting the series 3 box because it is a series 2a ..... Like humans not all transplants work out
    did you give it the anti-rejection drugs?

    You could try the detent springs on the 3-4 synchro assembly, however that it is doing it in 2nd as well I'm afraid that you may need to overhaul the box and replace the bronze bush that carries the 3rd and 2nd mainshaft gears.

    Try everything else first.

    What oil has been in the gearbox? The modern oils are not kind to yellow metals in series land rover boxes. (I use Penrite mild EP in mine)

    Diana

    You won't find me on: faceplant; Scipe; Infragam; LumpedIn; ShapCnat or Twitting. I'm just not that interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies View Post
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    What oil has been in the gearbox? The modern oils are not kind to yellow metals in series land rover boxes. (I use Penrite mild EP in mine)

    Diana
    What's the recommended viscosity ?
    Probably should use only a GL4 or dual rated GL4/5 lube. Some 80-90 or straight SAE 90 GL5 fluids use unbuffered sulphur which can be corrosive, but the better ones have the sulphur EP additive buffered to prevent the corrosion.

    FWIW Castrol recommend VMX80 which is a 75w-80 GL4.

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    I think you need to look at a rebuild.Back in my series days I had a 2a and 3 that did the same thing and it was the endfloat thrust washer on both box's that was the problem.If it wears out it won't support the dog teeth in the gears so they just jump out as the whole guts of the box can move foreward and back as power is applied-removed and the load changes dirrection.The good thing is series box's are easy,cheap to rebuild. Pat

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    See a few Series with holes punched in the dash and a fencing wire loop made to hold them in gear.
    Ok in a Series but not so pretty in a RR Sport lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by rick130 View Post
    What's the recommended viscosity ?
    Probably should use only a GL4 or dual rated GL4/5 lube. Some 80-90 or straight SAE 90 GL5 fluids use unbuffered sulphur which can be corrosive, but the better ones have the sulphur EP additive buffered to prevent the corrosion.

    FWIW Castrol recommend VMX80 which is a 75w-80 GL4.
    EP90 GL4 is what the manual says I think. That said, for most of the lifespan of mine I have run pennzoil 80W90 GL5 without problems. When I pulled it down for the first rebuild (2nd rebuild was due to inferior gears breaking) the bronze parts were in the same condition as any box of the same age.

    I am currently running VMV-M though - as that was specified for the Nissan's T-case and there was enough left to do my box. Happy with it - but then the series boxes aren't as sensitive to oil type as the coiller boxes.

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