New Defender Strange Engine Noise - Paranoia?

sounds exactly like the problem we have, i would start car first thing in morning then on chsangeing gear swecond to third there would be the rattle and sometimes power loss, very occosianally would do it after work but alkways in the morning, i thought it was a fuel leak but been proved wrong very costly wrong, its water in the tank.




get it looked at and dont fall into the situation we are in, my joy has been added to by the 90 blowing its head gasket to tonight. so now we have gone from thre cars to two down to one, all part of owning landrovers unfortunatly.

OK, I'm getting increasingly suspicious of Land Rover's claim that your's (and maybe my) problem is water in the fuel.

Five weeks ago the common rail PRV along with much of the fuel delivery system on my vehicle was replaced. The dealer checked the rest of the engine (including injectors) and reported that "no damage had been done". I just checked my fuel filter this morning and there is only a couple of ml of water and hardly any crud in it.

Yet this odd engine behaviour continues...


Surely there is something else awry here and maybe "water in the fuel" is just a convenient excuse. I think there is evidence mounting that points to a design fault and hopefully gets you and DB off the hook as far as Land Rover footing the bill for your repairs.

My car is going in for a pre-service inspection next Monday so they can work out what they have to do and how long it will take.

its definatly water in the fuel, unless the dealer docked my fuel sample, but its how the water got there. a recent bullitin i read said the breather can get blocked and drawers water in though the fuel cap.
there is defiantly aproblem but getting alnd rover to accept it is beyond painfull and expensive.
plus having no car for a long time is upsetting.
takes away lot of joy of anew car, sorry to be depressing.

lets hoep landrover see the light and fix it all. its good everyone is so helpfull with what ever information they have, in teh long run i hoep it saves us all a lot of money and the cars all get fixed and running the way they should.

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Originally Posted by muddymech

its definatly water in the fuel, unless the dealer docked my fuel sample, but its how the water got there. a recent bullitin i read said the breather can get blocked and drawers water in though the fuel cap.
there is defiantly aproblem but getting alnd rover to accept it is beyond painfull and expensive.
plus having no car for a long time is upsetting.
takes away lot of joy of anew car, sorry to be depressing.

lets hoep landrover see the light and fix it all. its good everyone is so helpfull with what ever information they have, in teh long run i hoep it saves us all a lot of money and the cars all get fixed and running the way they should.

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No wonder Land Rover develops such bad reputations. All cars break down and have problems, but it's the dealers response to these that makes the difference, I reckon. My brothers two year old Subaru outback is having problems, goes into the dealer, new radiator, new auto = problems fixed and a happy customer singing the praises of their product. Land Rover refusing to fix a problem as simple as a blocked breather, or faulty sensors for example, leads them to be branded as unreliable heaps!(not by me)
Makes you wonder, wathching any thread about the new fenders with interest................:soapbox:,I'll hop off now

So far I count the following people who have either had, or reported similar problems...

DB/MM (Sydney)
Solmanic(me) (Brisbane)
LROV90 (Melbourne)

and on the Defender2 forum...

Andrew Klimacki (Ireland)
Tony Hillerby (UK)
Nidge (Ireland)
Daz110 (UK)
Jas (UK)
netbotigger (UK)

Now this is just after a trawl on TWO forums. Some of these people have already had the common rail PRV replaced (me included) and others have had the fuel tank breather relocated either themselves or by the dealer.

If ALL the reports were coming from the one area then poor fuel would seem likely, but with a spread of complaints from all over the world you would have to suspect the problem lies with the vehicle.

Have you checked to see if all those countries have the same spec fuels?

We are expecting delivery mid to end August of our new Defender and I was in Land Rover ( Brisbane ) this morning querying a few things and at the service department I specifically bought this up. At first it was denied and only later did they acknowledge that they have had one vehicle with engine problems caused by water in the fuel. They said this person had picked up dud fuel on a trip back from Bundaberg.
As far as getting the breather re positioned and water ingress through the fuel cap they new nothing of this.
Getting very excited about the new Defender but also nervous reading reports like this.
Cheers
Kenley

I'm picking up mine tomorrow and two weeks ago I sent a list of items that I wanted some response on.

Included in this was the breather location issue.

The response back from the dealer was bland but reassured me that they were aware of the issues raised and would be attending to them.

I'll have a look tomorrow night and let you know if the breather location has in fact been attended to.

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Originally Posted by one_iota

I'm picking up mine tomorrow and two weeks ago I sent a list of items that I wanted some response on.

Included in this was the breather location issue.

The response back from the dealer was bland but reassured me that they were aware of the issues raised and would be attending to them.

I'll have a look tomorrow night and let you know if the breather location has in fact been attended to.

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to be honest mahn......your chassi number should be over the number that the breather modification comes as standard...i.e would be done of the production line

saw a 130 in the dealer looked new off the boat the other day and that breater had been moved and tucked up, i would still check but you should have no worries:)

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Originally Posted by dullbird

to be honest mahn......your chassi number should be over the number that the breather modification comes as standard...i.e would be done of the production line

saw a 130 in the dealer looked new off the boat the other day and that breater had been moved and tucked up, i would still check but you should have no worries:)

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Hi Louise,

I suffer from a healthy scepticism.

I was told that mine will be a 2009 build date....interesting concept considering that my calender tells me otherwise.

I will post a full report for the benefit of those who are about to receive or order theirs. After all as this place has demonstrated we should be well informed even if it is unfortunately at some pain for the pathfinders. Hang in there....maybe there is Karma :D