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26th October 2008, 12:12 PM
rovercare

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Originally Posted by Tombie2

Yeah, but they make people who "Couldnt drive a greasy finger up a bum" think they're offroad driving legends...

Considering much of the 3rd world was traversed in open wheeled Series Vehicles on basic tyres I hazard a guess and say that the modern locker owning driver is "Soft" and needs to "Toughen the hell up"

Sorta' like the modern driver with parking sensors front and back, Hill Start Assist, Stability control etc...

"Get your sh** in order and learn how to do it without the wizz bang gear"

Gets up...
Grabs popcorn...
Sits back and waits :p

I spent 3 years from 15yo driveing a BJ42 landcuiser in the bush, it sure taught you how to pick the right line:eek:
26th October 2008, 12:26 PM
Tombie

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Originally Posted by r.over

At least this thread has allowed me to work out who thinks they are the Alpha dogs on this forum. They have gone around ****ing everywhere to mark out their territories.

And you spend most of YOUR posts trying to climb the Alpha Dog Ranks :p

In fact, in 141 posts over 120 of them are you trying to **** higher up the wall than anyone else.

You're a pain, a smart ****, an argumentative ***** and overall from going over all your posts you have no real experience and a lot of loud mouth opinions...

You're a keyboard hero, and to be quite honest, I think you're a ****** of the Highest order.....

Seriously Pal, pull your head in, get a clue and stop quoting Bull ****.

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26th October 2008, 12:34 PM
r.over

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Originally Posted by Tombie2

And you spend most of YOUR posts trying to climb the Alpha Dog Ranks :p

In fact, in 181 posts over 140 of them are you trying to **** higher up the wall than anyone else.

You're a pain, a smart ****, an argumentative ***** and overall from going over all your posts you have no real experience and a lot of loud mouth opinions...

You're a keyboard hero, and to be quite honest, I think you're a ****** of the Highest order.....

Seriously Pal, pull your head in, get a clue and stop quoting Bull ****.

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Now tell me what you really think.:eek::eek:

Unlike some, I do not post for the sake of it. I will only post when I think I can add value or a point has not yet been raised (or to defend an attack). So you will find that with the majority of my posts that I have a different view to those already posted. You can take that as being argumentative or you can simply take it as attempting to have all points of views raised.

Tell me where I have been wrong or are you just one of these people that play the man rather than the ball. I have always found the clueless people act this way.
26th October 2008, 12:47 PM
Tombie

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Originally Posted by r.over

Now tell me what you really think.:eek::eek:

I thought I just did.

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Tell me where I have been wrong or are just one of these people that play the man rather than the ball. I have always found the clueless people act this way.

I call it as I read it....

And if you choose to believe that I'm clueless then thats your right to think that. I'm not going to enter into a debate with you...

A Battle of Wits would not be good thing, as I dont believe in fighting an Un-Armed opponent :banana:
26th October 2008, 12:51 PM
r.over

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Originally Posted by Tombie2

And if you choose to believe that I'm clueless then thats your right to think that. I'm not going to enter into a debate with you...

A Battle of Wits would not be good thing, as I dont believe in fighting an Un-Armed opponent :banana:

As I thought. A person not willing to put forward or defend their views.
26th October 2008, 01:03 PM
Tombie

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Originally Posted by r.over

As I thought. A person not willing to put forward or defend their views.

I have no need, nor desire to defend my views..

I'll type slower so this hopefully sinks in a bit more...

My views and opinions are mine... Some people agree, some don't....

I dont CARE if you dont like my point of view, but I dont want to see / read hours of diatribe about it either....

A quick example if it will shut you up...
"I've seen heaps of MD have problems, its common"

No its not.... Yet you stated it as fact....

Then went on to defend the ARB locker after accusing others of defender their choices and YOU run the ARB locker.

You're as fickle as can be...

I've personally seen more ARB lockers have issues than MD... But I would fit ARB again if I was going to go manual lockers...

You attack RoverCare (and many others with Real World knowledge and experience) with continuous rigour... Yet I can tell you, he has the runs on the board, and the proven experience...

Yet you never back up anything you proport to be gospel.....

Anyhow, you know what I think....

Any further remarks from you will be ignored....

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26th October 2008, 01:04 PM
rovercare

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Originally Posted by r.over

Very common for them to have problems engaging and disengaging. That is why I went with ARB.
I have been told it has something to do with lubrication in the actuating piston area.

Heresay or YOUR personal experience/knowledge

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Originally Posted by r.over

You just want to knock anything I say. So go for it.

I go out regularly. About half of the vehicles use to have maxi's and half ARBs. The ones with maxi's continually had problems with either getting them to engage or disengage. It was a very common issue.

Top is wrong, he was offering his experience, I'll agree with the second half

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Originally Posted by r.over

There is a BIG difference between giving an alternative view and outright quoting someone and stating that they are wrong.

I would believe that your view is a little biased as you have a Maxi. People will very rarely admit that they made a mistake. My observations related to a time prior to me purchasing lockers and was the sole factor in deciding ARB or Maxi.

Wrong again, he has both, you seem to be defending YOUR purchase of ARBs

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Originally Posted by r.over

I have not been particularly interested in why they don't work when they are suppose to, so I have not taken notes when it has been explained. But apparently the actuator has grease or other lubricant in it. From those that have trouble with them have indicated that the grease goes hard over time. This causes it to gunk up and makes it difficult to move. This causes it to either not engage or not to disengage. From memory there is something you have to be careful with if you pull it apart, but I can't remember what it is.

I wonder why no one wanted to purchase the maxi-drive difflock part of the business. So I guess that it does not matter whether the are good, bad, or indifferent, you cannot purchase new ones anymore.

We already covered the fact their was offers put forward, aslo more "issues" that you don't actually know about, nor have experienced first hand

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Originally Posted by r.over

I think you will find that they were becoming more expensive to make in the steel grade that he used. Therefore there was not much money in them unless you dropped the quality.

One thing that was not well designed in them is that you cannot easily pull the axles if you break a C&P and want to drive home in two wheel drive. Leaving the axle in means that the wheel will turn the centre and risk getting metal all through the locker and causing damage.

Whether Maxi-drive were better quality or not is largely irrelevant. If a Holden is all you need and does everything you want, does it really matter that a Merc is better engineered.

Yes it is easy, just as Dranged mentioned and HAS actually done personally, or as I HAVE done personally bore the stubs

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Originally Posted by r.over

Something is always going to break if you treat it hard. If you have a difflock and HD axles, the thing that will most likely break is the C&P. I have seen it happen enough, but maybe it is just the idiots I mix with. But then again it happened once on a AULRO trip.

I'll agree here

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Originally Posted by r.over

I thought that your comment meant that you did not think that the ability to remove axles was that important. I was just attempting to highlight that once you have fitted maxi-drive components it is likely to be relevant.

No I don't think it is of all that much importance as most who continually break them, move onto bigger and better things

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Originally Posted by r.over

Maybe you should ask again and adhere to your own advice. He had to buy the steel he used in larger and larger quantities to get a reasonable price.

No idea on this

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Originally Posted by r.over

Do you just like twisting things around. I did not say they will break, I said they become the weakest point in the rear. So if something is going to break, it will be a C&P.

If the C&Pis not an issue, why have you quoted people shifting to other diff set-ups. It is not because the diff lock or maxi axles break. I also think that the Nissan stuff is over rated as I see it break very regularly. Why would you want to put jap stuff in a rover anyway?

Your obviously dyslexic

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Originally Posted by r.over

It took a couple of minutes for this to sink in. You pull the axle out of the diff centre so that there was no support for it at that end. You pulled it out at the drive flange end and therefore there was no support for it at that end either. So the axle would flop around inside the diff housing. Then you drove home with it secured to the hub with cable ties.

Are you actually recommending people do this:eek:

Why not? it doesn;t turn, it can;t contact moveing parts

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Originally Posted by r.over

The advice being handed out in this thread. I am assuming that you are actually suggesting that people bore out the centre of their stub axle so that the collar on the maxi-axle will fit out. Don't you think that this may weaken the stub axle, the thing that holds your wheel and brakes on.

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Originally Posted by r.over

To quote yourself "WTF is your point". Are you saying it is safe to do with 35 inch tyres. Or are you saying that 35 inch tyres put a large amount of extra stress on the stub axles and you shouldn't do it. Or are you saying that even though larger tyres, etc put more stress on the stub axles than it was designed for, it is a good thing to reduce their strength.

Like I said, PERSONAL experience proves this is fine, how many rovers you built again? 1 blue one?

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Originally Posted by r.over

Do you actually think before you write.

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Originally Posted by r.over

Sorry, but I don't get into the mine is bigger than yours type arguments.

Hehe, yep

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Originally Posted by r.over

The thoughts are either right or wrong. If you think the person stating them makes them right or wrong, it might explain a few things you have posted.

Sometimes the person telling me something adds some weight to that point of view, but I always do my research and make up my own mind. In the end it is always my fault if something I do does not work out. I do not attempt to blame the source(s) of the information I may have acted on. They deserve what they end up with if anyone on this forum takes yours or my view without checking it out further.

Exactly helps to know the person and if they're to afraid to reveal an identity, well, once a coward

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Originally Posted by r.over

That is pretty much what you write each post.

Atleast you got that right:D

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Originally Posted by r.over

One other issue with Maxi-drives is that they require an engineers certificate. That is, because fitting them requires cutting and welding of the diff casing, they have to go through some serious inspection before a certificate is issued. But I suppose this is only an issue if you want insurance cover.

At least this thread has allowed me to work out who thinks they are the Alpha dogs on this forum. They have gone around ****ing everywhere to mark out their territories.

Trying for top dog?

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Originally Posted by r.over

Yes it is. It only covers cutting, bending, heating and welding. The third is not actually part of what is covered. Maybe you should read point 6 in the attached.
http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/NR/rd...340/0/VSI8.pdf

Correct, but you follow those guidelines for the rest of your vehicle? or just when argueing on the web

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Originally Posted by r.over

Now tell me what you really think.:eek::eek:

Unlike some, I do not post for the sake of it. I will only post when I think I can add value or a point has not yet been raised (or to defend an attack). So you will find that with the majority of my posts that I have a different view to those already posted. You can take that as being argumentative or you can simply take it as attempting to have all points of views raised.

Tell me where I have been wrong or are you just one of these people that play the man rather than the ball. I have always found the clueless people act this way.

Hows that??, feel free to reply:)
26th October 2008, 01:58 PM
r.over

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Originally Posted by rovercare

Hows that??, feel free to reply:)

That was a long post, but here goes:
1) Just about everyone posting that has maxi-drives have indicated that they are slow to engage. Some have suggested that this get worse with age. Are you stating that they are not slow. What is your explanation as to why they may get worse with age. Are you also claiming that I am wrong in suggesting that there is a lubricant in the actuator that may go hard over time.

In regard to witnessing problems with Maxi-drive diff locks, this is first hand. In regard to the reason for the actuator playing up, I have already posted that this was second hand.

2) You have stated that you agree with me that they have problems.

3) As I have said, I formed my view on maxi-drives BEFORE purchasing ARBs. I do not believe that you could class be as biased at that time. I do have some maxi-drive gear and I do not dispute their quality.

4) So sue me about having a view on why the locker part of maxi-drive ceased to exist.

5) If you or others want to weaken their stub axles, then go for it. I only highlighted that it would weaken them. Everyone goes on at how weak Landrover components are. I still think it strange that people would recommend weakening them further. But this is what the forum is for. Just out of curiousity I went and measure the thickness of the stub. The metal is 65 thou. So boring it out by 30 thou (as suggested) nearly halves its thickness.

6) You agree with the C&P becoming the weak point.

7) You are right that people who continually break things generally upgrade. But what about the first time they break or the people that only break them once. At least by the issue being highlighted they can think through what they will do in that situation, even if this is going with your recommendation on boring out the stub axles.

8) If you have no idea on a point, why did you raise it again. Appears that you were going for quantity rather than quality.

9) Not sure what point you are making here.

10) I am not going to go into this point. But you might explain how you can secure an free floating axle from falling out, stuff rags around the axle so oil does not come out and still have it so the wheel will turn without the axle turning at all.

11) You have raised the point of boring out stub axles again. Read response above. If you are asking how many stub axles I have bored out, the answer is none. What is a "Blue one"?

12) I will repeat that I do not get into mine is bigger than yours arguments as there is always someone out there with one bigger. I am the one that is more than happy sitting up the back of the convoy, I have no need to lead.

13) I believe that knowing the person only clouds the issue. Such debates should happen on the facts and not the person putting them forward. As I have already posted, people should not rely on advice posted on forums like this. Such advice can however highlight paths that are worth looking down.

14) At least you agree that you waffle on. This post I am responding to is a prime example.

15) What we decide to get engineered is up to ourselves. But at least you can make those decisions if you know what is required.

16) I won't say to feel free to respond because going over the same stuff time and time again adds little value.
26th October 2008, 03:22 PM
justinc

um, err, is NOW a good time to talk about detroit lockers?

:wasntme:

JC
26th October 2008, 03:32 PM
rovercare

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Originally Posted by r.over

16) I won't say to feel free to respond because going over the same stuff time and time again adds little value.

Correct, but it seems you have no issue doing so:p

Just like me:D

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