Am I about to have a TD5 headgasket issue

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Originally Posted by Psimpson7

Hi Justin, I was hoping you would answer:)

Mine is an 01 so I think I have the plastic dowels also.

I will as you suggest keep a close eye on it. I will clean the tank again now and check it every day. (well every day I use it - which isnt that often)

I must admit I think that maybe the loss of all the water, and heating up (although admitedly, not getting more than say 70% of the way up the guage) when we stuffed the rad may have something to do with this.

The car isnt chipped at all at the moment.

Rgds
Pete.

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Pete,

When they get hot, that is usually when the dowels actually fail. This in turn causes the gasket failure at a later stage due to the head moving.

I would, If I were you, do it before it overheats to the point that the rest of the engine is damaged, like the one we have in here at the moment that was driven for a fair while after the initial overheat...Costs a whole lot more when you do that:mad: Ended up replacing the head and fitting a low KM short engine. The block face was no longer flat, and some of the water ports were eaten away to under the outer edge of the fire ring on 2 cylinders. This engine has always run coolant since we've been servicing it, but after the head was off you could see that early on in its life that wasn't the case. It has 188K on the clock, but we have 250,000+ km 1999/2000 model ones that are still ok, that have never been overheated.

If you have the ability and resources to do it early on, then do it. It will at the very least give you peace of mind that the steel dowels are in there!


JC

Hi Justin,

I think I will do it then......:eek: but may not do it for a couple of weeks. Probably a good idea to get all the parts needed first.

I am slightly nervous about it (the leak that is) and the peace of mind would be good.

It may be a bit easier than some as my car doenst have aircon either.

What other stuff would you do

Headgasket
Headbolts
Dowels
injector seals?
etc etc...?

Rgds
Pete.

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Originally Posted by Psimpson7

Hi Justin,

I think I will do it then......:eek: but may not do it for a couple of weeks. Probably a good idea to get all the parts needed first.

I am slightly nervous about it (the leak that is) and the peace of mind would be good.

It may be a bit easier than some as my car doenst have aircon either.

What other stuff would you do

Headgasket
Dowels
injector seals?
etc etc...?

Rgds
Pete.

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At 100K, I would'nt anticipate having to do a valve job etc, but you will have to surface grind the head slightly because the steel shim type gasket they use actually seals by cutting into the aluminium of the haed surface ever so slightly when torqued down. If the head has moved, expect to see galling etc where the gasket has shifted.
Replacement of the injector lower sealing washers, O rings, manifold gaskets and fuel block gasket are mandatory, and obviously the head gasket. Check what thickness you need, should be a 2 or 3 hole gasket, they seem to be the most common.
Replace all the exhaust manifold studs, and it also pays to replace the rocker cover rubber gasket as they harden with age.

Give me a call on 0408 995 635 if you need to chat about it some more!
:):)

JC

Thanks Justin. :)

on the other side of the coin, my wife's disco (td5 2004) was going into limp home mode during summer with the air cond on. we found it was using water.
no signs of leakage or smell of coolant ever.
LR dealer replaced the bottle cap on the first visit. now bear in mind that each of the following parts were replaced on separate, subsequent visits. we had already suggested the head gasket but were told "no, it couldn't be that"
after the cap, one of the hoses was replaced, then the radiator, then another radiator.
not long after this the disco began to run on 4 cylinders on start-up then kick in the fifth when a bit of heat got into the engine.
they took it in to look at......yes, the head gasket. replaced the gasket, as a temporary measure while they waited for a NEW MOTOR!
got the new motor, booked the car in, the turbo blew up the day before it went in.
they had the car for ten days and hired us an auto hilux ute with a towbar so the wife could keep working.
the only part they used off the old motor was the mount for the oil filter.
the next week we headed off to the Expo in penrith, my mate, in the convoy, thought the oil was coming from my car, nope, it was coming from the Disco.
it went back in on monday, they took the cast mount off and replaced the gasket. she went through 5 litres of oil the next day. they had cracked the cast mount when they put it back on. they rang me and told me to come up and pick up her trailer as they had no cars for her.
i started heading off and got another phone call, "we've found a car she can have".
about an hour later, she turns up with the dog washing trailer in tow behind a XJ jaguar demonstrator.
the fitted a new mount and it's been fine since. that was nearly 2 yrs ago.
in land rover's defence, the customer service was great, just the mechanics were very sub standard both at the diagnostic stage and in workmanship.
something that needs to be addressed

Ok, so since a TDI/TD5 cooling system is a closed system surely the only way for any pressure to vent is via the reservoir bottle cap and therefor a little weeping would be normal - pressure has to be released somewhere to atmosphere ?

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Originally Posted by barney

that was nearly 2 yrs ago.
in land rover's defence, the customer service was great, just the mechanics were very sub standard both at the diagnostic stage and in workmanship.
something that needs to be addressed

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Dont want to hijack thread,but

Off topic a little,i always found LRA customer service excellent,better than any other vehicle manufacturer i have delt with.The quality of the workmanship by the mechanics ,if you can call them mechanics was always extremely poor,to say the least.I stopped using the stealers around two years ago,they may have since improved.

Getting back to original topic,Psimpson,i would get job done asap,as vehicle is not reliable the way it is,& if you leave it engine may be further damaged.

MR auto would be my piont of call,as they do this work all day & are excellent,unless you have the confidence to do it yourself
Good luck with it.:)

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Originally Posted by loanrangie

Ok, so since a TDI/TD5 cooling system is a closed system surely the only way for any pressure to vent is via the reservoir bottle cap and therefor a little weeping would be normal - pressure has to be released somewhere to atmosphere ?

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Hi Chris,

Anything over the caps' rated pressure of 15psi is coming from either extremely high engine temps, or a headgasket failure pressurising the system.

I have even replaced caps on these in the past thinking they were possibly failing, but alas, no.

There is an air pocket about half the capacity of the bottle to take up the expansion and contraction of the coolant without splitting the bottle etc.

That it is why you only check and fill the coolant to the cold fill line when cold.

Since Pete's Defender isn't overheating then with other anecdotal evidence, I am suggesting he thinks about replacing the head gasket before it ruins the rest of his engine...

JC

LR, it had never in my ownership allowed fluid out of the cap ever. I have had it for 6 years so as soon as I saw this I was worried, and after talking to Justin yesterday, changing it now (or in the next couple of weeks once I have amassed all the parts) seems like a logical step.

I would prefer to do it before it failed properly rather than just keping driving it until it fails seriously.

cheers
Pete

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Originally Posted by loanrangie

Ok, so since a TDI/TD5 cooling system is a closed system surely the only way for any pressure to vent is via the reservoir bottle cap and therefor a little weeping would be normal - pressure has to be released somewhere to atmosphere ?

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I would have to agree with you under normal circumstances of engine temperaments ..... However ..... The "key" to this being a problem with this car is


He has identified something abnormal going on with the way the cap is leaking water .... AND it happened after he lost a radiator and I suspect he over heated it ;)

Mike

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