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    Strange Noise in driveline

    I have a Stage1 that is for all intents and purposes is in quite good conditon.
    The gearbox was rebuilt 20000 ks ago the tailshafts have been both replaced and last week I put a reco 4 Pinion Military diff in the front.
    I now have this odd issue when hot at 100 kmh on float (not overrun or load) I get a noise like a gear chatter.
    I swapped the tailshafts last night thinking that maybe they were out of balance to no avail.
    Seems worse when hot almost unnoticeable when cold.
    I dont think it relates to the new front diff but I may be wrong I have also checked the handbrake this is not the problem.

    Anyone have any ideas

    When hot it will do it at slower speeds as well

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    If it wasn't doing it before the front diff was replaced I would drive it without the front shaft and see what happens.Don't take this the wrong way but have you got all the oils in?. Pat

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    Quote Originally Posted by djam1 View Post
    and last week I put a reco 4 Pinion Military diff in the front.
    I now have this odd issue when hot at 100 kmh on float (not overrun or load) I get a noise like a gear chatter.

    Anyone have any ideas
    It's not related ... but it is

    I could give you all sorts of theory's ... and they will be

    Is the diff ratios the same? .. tightened all the bolts? ... did you get all the tools that you dropped? ... DID you put oil in the diff? // what sort?


    So ... Put the car on blocks ... all 4 wheels off the ground ... start and drive the car in gear // apply driving speed // apply brakes to add forces to make sounds appear or disappear


    .... "See" what you can hear



    Mike


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    Thanks guys
    Yes I tightened everything (and double checked) the diff ratios were the same I checked that.
    I put Penrite 80/90 Diff oil in it and yes its full

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    Quote Originally Posted by djam1 View Post
    Thanks guys
    Yes I tightened everything (and double checked)
    Another thought is ... the diff itself ... does it have excess backlash ... whats it's history? .. as they can be touchy about there setup (C&P position)

    Drive it on blocks




    So how warm is it today, up there?

    Mike


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    My main concern with the diff is was that it was very tight when I installed it.
    I rang the people who built it and they were confident it was ok as the bearings would bed in quickly.
    When I say tight it was hard to turn by hand it definately doesnt have too much backlash
    It isnt as tight now maybe I just need to give it a few more miles

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    Quote Originally Posted by djam1 View Post
    My main concern with the diff is was that it was very tight when I installed it.
    I rang the people who built it and they were confident it was ok as the bearings would bed in quickly.
    When I say tight it was hard to turn by hand it definately doesnt have too much backlash
    It isnt as tight now maybe I just need to give it a few more miles
    Sure its not more like a "whining" noise


    Diff should have "some resistance" to turn by hand ... but should not require the force of a gorilla to turn

    The main setup of a diff is that the Crown teeth are centered to the pinion teeth ... this is where diff noise can mainly come from if "they are new"

    A way to check it is to do the following



    Put diff in a vice
    Smear the crown teeth with a red grease paste
    Turn the crown wheel back & forth
    This leaves a red grease marking on the face of the "teeth" on the crown & pinion gears

    IF the grease mark is HIGH on the teeth = wrong = Noisy
    IF the grease mark is LOW on the teeth = wrong = Noisy
    IF the grease mark is CENTER or even on the teeth = right setting = no noise

    You have to rip it out to check it tho

    Mike


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    The contact pattern was checked before I installed it and it was fine.
    It definately isnt a whine but more of a grumble like gear chatter under load and on coast at speed things are fine.
    The only other thing I noticed was a slight noise when coasting to a stop

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    mike 90 RR Guest
    Quote Originally Posted by djam1 View Post
    The contact pattern was checked before I installed it and it was fine.
    It definately isnt a whine but more of a grumble like gear chatter under load and on coast at speed things are fine.
    The only other thing I noticed was a slight noise when coasting to a stop

    CV's setup OK?

    A static drive on blocks will help figure it out

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    It is starting to sound like not enough backlash to me.If you can't turn the diff by hand that is too tight,the clatter could be the teeth coming in and out of mesh.Have you checked for metal in the oil?. Pat

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