EGR kits,, do not buy!!!

Don't listen to him.

Thanks Dave for the kind words and explanation.

I was in Alice Springs 2 weeks ago and had Kayes D2 TD5 serviced at the LR dealer before returning home. Had a chat to the mechanic who also mentioned crap in the inlet. He suggested cleaning the inlet pluming with degreaser. He also noted that dust had got past the air filter and mentioned one good point of all the oily crud was that it acted as a secondary filter and helped protect the engine. Any way he cleaned it up and the power and fuel consumption has improved markedly. I didn't realise how much performance had been lost, I'd just put it down to towing the van (1500 Kg tare). Fuel consumption improved from an average of 18.5 l/100k to around 14.5 l/ 100k at 100 kmh. Nothing to do with EGR's, and perhaps more to do with cleaning around the MAF sensor, but certainly shows the difference a clean unrestricted airway makes.

Deano

yeah, sometimes

Dave,

I was not having a go, I was just amazed at how much you are able to type. No further questions, yet!

from all this i hope that people that dont no much about cars will have a better understanding of them, and what such a diffrence little things can have on them

Lionel wrote:
If you are happy about this, well and good, but personally, I have no desire to adversely affect the environment unnecessarily, so I won't be removing mine.


Oh Crap, If your going to throw this into the argument, than you had better explain why your driving a large 4wd.
Did you not read about trailing throttles ?
What about all the extra energy used to manufacture an EGR system in the first place ?
If humans REALLY care about the environment we should pull the population back to about 500,000.............not gunna happen.

so lets move on. Where can I buy a removal kit ?

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Originally Posted by Zute

Lionel wrote:
If you are happy about this, well and good, but personally, I have no desire to adversely affect the environment unnecessarily, so I won't be removing mine.


Oh Crap, If your going to throw this into the argument, than you had better explain why your driving a large 4wd.
Did you not read about trailing throttles ?
What about all the extra energy used to manufacture an EGR system in the first place ?
If humans REALLY care about the environment we should pull the population back to about 500,000.............not gunna happen.

so lets move on. Where can I buy a removal kit ?

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on the trailing throttle bit, i headed down the road in the wife's honda civic. i noticed that u used a bit of throttle heading down a hill where in the county i need a weee bit of brakes. posable there is more trailing throttle used in lighter cars?

To the writer re 3.0 Patrol engines blow with egrs removed. Incorrect, as a Patrol owner and like many others we disable the egr valve by blocking it with a stainless plate. We did not like the fact the soot mixes with oil mist that will then foul the MAF sensor in the early model 3.0 and or turn to grinding paste in the engine. I as well as many others have blocked the egr many many many ks ago and havent had any dramas. But...........on a Patrol you must also fit a tdi controller to take control of the turbo vanes away from the ecu as Patrols run a variable vane set-up. This is because the ecu will lower boost to cater for the egr into the engine. Lower boost means higher egts. I personally have never looked back and my egts actually dropped by about 100c after blocking the egr, fitting the dawes controller and installing a mandrel bent 2.5" into 3.0" exhaust. The engine stays cleaner and the oil remains a nice honey colour for at least 70000kms. I know this is a Landrover discussion but just wanted to correct the comment about exploding 3.0 engines due to blocking the egr valve. NOTE: The reason I was on this site is I am thinking of purchasing a Deefer and saw this debate.

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Originally Posted by maysy1

To the writer re 3.0 Patrol engines blow with egrs removed. Incorrect, as a Patrol owner and like many others we disable the egr valve by blocking it with a stainless plate. We did not like the fact the soot mixes with oil mist that will then foul the MAF sensor in the early model 3.0 and or turn to grinding paste in the engine. I as well as many others have blocked the egr many many many ks ago and havent had any dramas. But...........on a Patrol you must also fit a tdi controller to take control of the turbo vanes away from the ecu as Patrols run a variable vane set-up. This is because the ecu will lower boost to cater for the egr into the engine. Lower boost means higher egts. I personally have never looked back and my egts actually dropped by about 100c after blocking the egr, fitting the dawes controller and installing a mandrel bent 2.5" into 3.0" exhaust. The engine stays cleaner and the oil remains a nice honey colour for at least 70000kms. I know this is a Landrover discussion but just wanted to correct the comment about exploding 3.0 engines due to blocking the egr valve. NOTE: The reason I was on this site is I am thinking of purchasing a Deefer and saw this debate.

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My nissan work car (YD22) has as part of the EGR system an intake flap.
It's the intake flap I'd be looking at if you're finding increased EGT's. Does the ZD30 have one?

That said, I don't see the problem with the ECU cycling the boost up and down. Provided the sensors aren't poked it's not going to run hot enough to lunch your engine.

70,000km. Wow, that's a long oil change.;)

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Originally Posted by maysy1

To the writer re 3.0 Patrol engines blow with egrs removed. Incorrect, as a Patrol owner and like many others we disable the egr valve by blocking it with a stainless plate. We did not like the fact the soot mixes with oil mist that will then foul the MAF sensor in the early model 3.0 and or turn to grinding paste in the engine. I as well as many others have blocked the egr many many many ks ago and havent had any dramas. But...........on a Patrol you must also fit a tdi controller to take control of the turbo vanes away from the ecu as Patrols run a variable vane set-up. This is because the ecu will lower boost to cater for the egr into the engine. Lower boost means higher egts. I personally have never looked back and my egts actually dropped by about 100c after blocking the egr, fitting the dawes controller and installing a mandrel bent 2.5" into 3.0" exhaust. The engine stays cleaner and the oil remains a nice honey colour for at least 70000kms. I know this is a Landrover discussion but just wanted to correct the comment about exploding 3.0 engines due to blocking the egr valve. NOTE: The reason I was on this site is I am thinking of purchasing a Deefer and saw this debate.

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My comment was a 'generic' one, based on the feedback from Nissan owners in our club..

On the TD5 the EGR can just be removed...

On the ZD30, as you have expanded on, other modifications to the vehicles fuelling system are required to prevent engine damage...
Therefore my initial statement is correct ;)

sorry meant 7000kms. But I continue. The reason we take control away from the ecu once the egr is blocked is simple. As I said previously the ecu will lower boost to cater for egr, when this occurs and with the egr blocked the egts will soon creep up. The Dawes valve works by allowing the turbo to work in a traditional linear fashion. That is, more revs=more boost=lower egts but to a point. The problem with the ecu in a ZD 30 engined Patrol is it does not work in a linear fashion and will lower or raise boost according to throttle inputs and allowing for egr. The above relates to a Patrol which has a variable vane Turbo. The Navara as I understand it, has what I call a traditional turbo and is set up differently and yes it too has egr.........unfortunatley. EGR was a low tech effort to meet emissions and is a short term fix. What is more stupid is over time engines with egr actually become less efficient,blow more smoke and die before their time because they choke up on a mixture of blowby and soot which becomes grinding paste.

I wont carry on but in the future you will see manufacturers swinging away from egr as it is crude and destructive. As you can tell I am no fan myself. Anyway I didnt mean to offend or hijack the thread and I apologise in advance for any offence. Cant wait to check out some deefers.